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Old 05-26-2008, 09:23 AM
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Starting next Sunday, and for the following two Sundays, I am going to be doing the photography for a photo directory for my church. I have three different coloured backdrops I could use (white paper, sandstone muslin and slate muslin).

My first instinct was to use the sandstone backdrop, but then I thought of the uncertainty of what everyone will wear. Then I thought that white would be the most forgiving in the case of differences in clothing style and/or colour.

My question is whether or not my logic is sound regarding the white backdrop. What would you recommend?
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Re: backdrop colour

The problem I see with white is the people wearing white, IE; white dress shirt / white fringed dress. I like the slate color best. If some of the people wish you to make portraits of their images, the slate takes well to either white or black vigenette.
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Re: backdrop colour

You want to avoid a white background if possible. It is usually a good choice for high-key portraits, but in reality not really great for other portraits.

The reason is basic art. You want to create tonal values to build a sense of a 3rd dimension. White does not allow you to create any depth in an image.

In most art, tonal values go from 1-white to 10-black. You want to create a tonal value of at least 4 in your portraits because that gives markers of reference for that 3rd dimension.

For example, glamour shots have almost no facial tones. This is done to eliminate blemishes and "perfection" flaws. A flatter light (and sometimes a buttefly style light) hides large noses, thin faces, texture in the skin, etc.

When you do a master's portrait, broad and short lighting are more common because you create shadows that give a more representative image.

The same is true with the background. Your background should give a sense of space inbetween the backdrop and the subject. This avoids that "body floating in space" feel.

I would use a neutral brown/tan and then cut the light to either create a master's stroke (a burst of light in the center and allow shadows at the edges) or a slash of light (a geometric line or separation line between the bright and dark area of the backdrop).

Another way of building more depth to the images is by rim lighting and hair lights.

Here is an exampel of a slash light in the background (created naturally)


Here is an example of a shot I did on location. I used a harsh side light and some soft shadows to create that 3rd dimension, and then used DOF to create a sense of distance from the subject to the background.




To give a contrary example. Here is a photo I took of a family. While the girl has a 3D effect with shadow...you see that the mom and the background do not. They are all just fall into blackness and there are no longer any references to key off of. It created a sense of intimacy (black will do that), but it would not be great for a regular portrait.

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Re: backdrop colour

Here's a few images showing the basic setup as I imagine it will be come the day of the first shoot (this Sunday...with two more shoots scheduled the following 2 Sundays).

The challenge as I see it is that there will be quite a few families of different sizes (singles to families of 7) to shoot in a relatively short amount of time. So there likely won't be much time to be fiddling around with lights/posing.

Having had some time to consider the testing I did, I think I'll try and move the subjects closer to the front of the stage and create more DOF. I can also move the backdrop back some more if I remove some chairs, and perhaps even bring in a prop (a plant perhaps) to fill in some space (especially for the singles I shoot).

I haven't done many formal portraits yet, and so this opportunity to do the church directory shoot will be an invaluable learning experience for me. Any extra prints people order will be the icing on the cake so to speak.

I know I've got a lot to learn, and so I would appreciate any feedback as to how I could improve things.

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Re: backdrop colour

I shoot portraits for my church's Deacons and Elders board, a display outside the office in the hallway. I use a seamless paper backdrop, Savage Studio Gray. I use it primarily because I want all the portraits displayed on the board to have a uniform background color, and it's easy to cut out the heads using Extract in Photoshop, and put in the same background on each shot.

I have not yet shot a church directory, but the last directory we did used a background similar to the slate muslin, and it looked very nice, so I would vote for that one.
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Curtis- If I may, I'd like to comment on your lighting set-up. I think your lights are slightly in the wrong place, and you have shadows on the background. Personally, I start by putting the main light about 45 degrees from the subject. Also, the main light should be next to the camera and just above camera height. In your example, your lighting is too flat, meaning there isn't a power difference between your main and fill.
If you will crank your fill light down one or two stops you will get a lighting ratio(see above photos). Without going into lighting ratios, your portraits won't look as much like "school pictures". You'll have to adjust the fill light to your taste, and watch that you don't create a shadow on one or more of your subjects.
To get rid of the shadows on the background, somply move your posing stool away from the b'ground another 2-3 feet. That way the shadow from the main light will fall on the floor, not the b'ground, and you won't see a shadow from the fill light because it'll be less power than the main. The photo below illustrates what I've said.
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F22? Whoa!
5.6 is plenty! Less light from the strobes will mean faster recycle and somewhat less blinding light on the subject.

For location shoots like this I use a blue muslin (i got blue, brown, pinkish) and I for 1 or 2 people I shoot F4 to 5.6 to keep the muslin OOF (hiding the inevitable wrinkles).

I light from the side - 90 degrees with a shoot thru 60" umbrella as my main light, and then a fill over/above/behind me (60" silver reflector umbrella). The side main gives shadows but wraps enough, and the fill is high to avoid shadows on the BG and reflections on eyeglasses. If shooting one person no prob. Shooting 2 you have to turn them ever so slightly so the one close the the light doesn't throw shadows on the other person.
Here are a couple done like this - yearbook and HS reunion.
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Same setup here, but lit from the right (as you can see the guy on the right is a tad hot on the face)
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My concern with your light setup is you may get crossed shadows on some of the family shots with several people in them.
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