[quote=Noel_Carboni;458194]LOL, I like how you've got all the kids in Sample 1 looking anywhere but into the camera lens, Albert.
LOL... yep... it's pretty much what you see is what you get
I've only ever done large group shots outdoors without extra lights. Aim the folks into the sun, not too early or late, and hope for a bit of luck with a cloud to soften the light a bit. It helps to be able to get above eye level of at least the folks in front.
A ladder is a part of the job with groups as large as this... it's the only way to keep from getting hidden heads. Into the sun you get squinty eyes
What's a REAL pain is when one has to put absentees into the photo digitally. At least a dozen of the heads (including my own) in this photo are from later exposures.
I do that very seldom

As you know... it takes too much time.
This was with a Canon EOS-20D, 17-40 zoom @ 28mm, f/10, 1/200, no flash, shot to JPEG.
Group photo
Also, don't forget to tell everyone to find a space where their whole face can be seen by the camera. It's surprising how many people don't do this without being told.
Actually... many adults go out of their way to "hide themselves"

It's amazing how many don't want to be seen in a group shot.
As far as no flash? I've only shot one group like that in my life... and it happened last fall because my whitelightning literally "blew up"
The sun had just disappeared behind the bleachers... so I set the Kodak at 400 iso and took the shot. Not too bad
GJHS Football 2007-08 photo - Albert Yanowich Jr. photos at pbase.com
Albert