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Re: What\'s everybody using???
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Old 04-01-2001, 05:39 PM
Andy Pauquette Andy Pauquette is offline
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Re: What\'s everybody using???

Ron;

Thanks for your thoughts. And thanks to those who emailed me privately to point out that I misspelled the bride's name!! (Blush) It's been fixed.

I'd love for you to see what people actually purchase -- this layout is very representative of the variey of images in my wedding albums. I shoot, the bride and groom send me a list of images to include in the book, and I design the book, using either Montage (Art Leather) for a traditional matted book, or Photoshop, to create page collages that are printed out and bound by various methods. The largest book I have done was actually a three volume set, with each book about 40 pages (sides) and a total of over 200 seperate images. The final bill was more than $2000 over the original contract, with no hard sell from me whatsoever. I just take pictures I like, give them a CD and a set of plain paper inkjet index sheets (12 images per page), and they tell me which ones they want. Everything is priced a la carte, with enough for a basic album included in the contract. Anything over that is additional, on a print by print, page by page basis. Sometimes I just shake my head -- I love doing the still life stuff, and it's so much fun that couples include them in their books, often featured more prominently than some of the portraits.

I try and connect emotionally with brides (and to a lesser extent grooms, but let's get real -- we know who is in charge!). They often put a lot of thought into these decorations, and the "atmosphere" of the event is very important to them. After the wedding that atmosphere dissapears with the leftover coldcuts and cake -- putting it in the "Wedding Storybook" (thank you Gary Fong for that concept) allows them to relive it when they look at the images.

This is also why I ALWAYS try to get a good, artistic (ie., warm fuzzy, artsy fartsy) image or series of images of the back of the wedding dress, while she is wearing it (no jokes about butt shots, please -- use a long lens and no one has to feel uncomfortable). The detail on the back of the dress is the most elaborate of the garment, it is what caught her eye when she saw it in the bridal shop or magazine, it is an important part of the visual impression she chose to give an entire congreagtion as she stood before them, but it is the only part of the dress she can't see while she is wearing it! It goes in the book everytime, and usually as an 8x10 if I am also succesful at getting a mother's, sister's, and/or grandmother's signature hands doing a bustle or fastening a bow. Of course it entirely loses any magic if it is done as a contrivance of the photographer, but that's another discussion.

I have been using the low rez scans that I provide as proofs to do album mockups that are posted on the net for approval, before we actually make the book. Here are a few album layouts (forgive the bad color -- remember these are proofs, from weddings shot on film)that will give you an example of what couples actually choose to purchase. They are selecting these images usually from about 800 or so images that I provide on CD:
http://64.70.137.185/amyandrick2/index.htm http://64.70.137.185/olzak/2/index.htm http://64.70.137.185/joyandscott/index.htm

I shoot it -- they choose it -- I make it -- they buy it. I love my job.

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Re: What\'s everybody using???
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Old 04-02-2001, 01:00 AM
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Andy pretty stuff, shooting digital at weddings would scare me due to the great chance of losing pictures on the media. (CF spike or Mdrive crash or read error).
I do plan to shoot a prom this year with it and my fear of doing this was the same... the media.

So I've been looking into the digital wallet so that a couple times during the event I can backup all the images on the microdrive to the digital wallets memory and have 2 of each image. Something like that might help out in weddings too.

As I said the pics you showed were really pretty and very Jounalistic, but tell me... do people actually pick/buy pictures of a bow on a pew and a fork with salomi? I think they add a nice touch to the selection you showed... but when I did weddings they purchased a set number of pictures (like 40 5x7's abd 10 8x10's for 6,200.00) and they would pick their 40 and pay extra for additional selections. There would always be additional selections ordered - but at 20-30 a per addtional print no one would ever pick things like cake top, bows and table settings. So I included these things "in" images with other things. (for example the cake top would be seen in the pictures with the couple cutting the cake. The pew bows would be in the ceremony shots etc. I'm curious how you do weddings so that the couple would actually want these images? Do you shoot and just give them everything you shoot?
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Old 04-02-2001, 04:33 AM
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Ron wrote: "great chance of losing pictures on the media. (CF spike or Mdrive crash or read error).

This probability is no greater than your camera malfunctions or your film does not advance or your shutter/oppenings are not correct. You will see the results when it's to late.

Digital is vastly different. You see what you got. You can have a Lab Top with you, have your assistent download the images and you are save.

Me, Doing Streetphotography in New York City. Canon D30 550EX Flash, cheap 19-35mm F3.5-4.5 Phoenix lens $160. 32mb 8X Lexar CF cards. Use them almost every day and never a problem.

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Old 04-02-2001, 11:06 AM
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Andy thanks for the info. You have a good eye for composition, and a very magazine/artistic feel to the images. I was also surprised at how well you balanced the ambient light in the background behind the dance shots. Some very nice stuff. I like the little incidentals, but the way I did weddings, they would be a waste since couples wouldn't have selected them or paid extra for them.
The new free form style seems more fun, just document the event instead of constructing it. Surely times are changing in this area of photography.
very cool. And if you like doing it - that's a big plus. I always hated weddings, primarily becuase of being forced to wear a suit and often being hot. After I was done I'd often think "that was fun!" but before and during I can't say I enjoyed it.

Glad I'm done with that subject matter... but seriously considering starting my kids back into it.
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Old 04-02-2001, 12:18 PM
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Ron wrote: "great chance of losing pictures on the media. (CF spike or Mdrive crash or read error).

>This probability is no greater than your camera malfunctions or your film does not advance or your shutter/oppenings are not correct. You will see the results when it's to late.

A pro doesn't have his shutter and apateur incorrect. I always have two film cameras (RZ's) with me and have never had a malfunction that couldn't be dedected by feel or sound of the camera. The equipment did break down on occation - but the chance is slight. And though I haven't had a loss of image yet from digital. I've read way to many messages from people who have, to make me confident in using it for once in a lifetime paying jobs. To help eliminate the chance of media failure, I'm gonna try a digital wallet and backup images regularly at events where I'd be in hot water if media failed. I have a prom in May I'd like to shoot digitally and I think the D-wallet will help eliminate the fear of loosing my work due to media problems.

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Thanks, Ron -- I'm having a blast. I am so glad I was taught the basics of photography using prime lenses. It is so much easier to balance ambient light with a 1.8 or so lens, and I feel bad for those whose style lends them to zooms, but whose budget only allows the slow consumer versions. Life really looks differently under f 2.8, especially after the sun goes down.
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Old 04-03-2001, 12:19 AM
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Yeah Ron you are right about a Pro knowing his/her gear. But the fear is not warranted just because you read this on the Web without knowing the persons who have the problems. Are they Pros?

Too many Photo Journalists and Fashion shooters are Digital. Fashion Wekk in New York showed this clearly. Mostly Digital. I spoke with a few of them and they rented the Cameras. These Pros are not concerned about CF cards.

You should at least admit that you can observe the pictures and take decisions from there. (Art Directors, Clients or Models to see what you got.)It helps enormously to get them more involved.

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