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Old 07-01-2008, 01:24 PM
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Re: New Idea/Recommended Lens for Action Shots (Soccer)

I have previously bought f4 telephotos and I think it is just false economy. Once I got a 70-200 f2.8, I never touched my old f4 stuff.

I'd say don't get another f4 but take a deep breath and buy a 2.8 - very versatile.

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Old 07-01-2008, 08:31 PM
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Rather than just showing up, shooting a game, and then dealing with the possible throng of people wanting to see proofs etc., he suggested taking deposits from specific families to photograph specific kids and then having those images available online for people to purchase. I liked this idea because I see this as being a more focused way of shooting the game. I'd have a list of specific players to watch for (i.e. #4, #7, #10 on team RED, #6, #7, #9 on team BLUE etc.) during the game.

Then having the images available online would help me to because I only have one laptop and it's just not feasible to proof this way to multiple people all at one time.

1. Do you think that an idea like this would work?
First Curtis, I have a question for you. Do you do anything without first asking us? You also seem very wide spread in the types of photography you are trying to do and venturing into a lot of areas that you do not have any experience (and perhaps equipment) and getting responses on a forum may not be the best method of learning before doing. Just an observation.

As far as taking requests and only shooting those participants, as mentioned, the prepaid deposit is best. But in order for folks to see how you shoot, you will need to get everyone interested and you will initially need to shoot everyone. Then gradually transition to just taking prepaid deposits.

Selling on just a website, we don't do it, as we typically have less than a 10% sale rate versus on site viewing and printing.

One caveat with this deposit idea, the folks that will ask will be the folks with the kid who doesn't do anything. It is almost always like that. Same goes for hockey. Some positions don't get action, unless it is bad (defenders, goalies etc) and they may not like the images you capture.

Then if they have given you money, what will your policy be for refunds if you didn't get what they wanted?

In shooting action, you can have the best equipment, the best position, as good of lighting as possible, your settings can be correct, and in the end, still not get a proper shot that someone would buy because nothing happened or their kid had a goofy look or was removed from the game etc..... any one of a million reasons/excuses why not to buy.

It does take more talent to shoot action correctly, I mean not gripping and ripping as so many folks do nowadays, than it does shooting T&I, assembly line photography. The timing, positioning, lighting etc all are much more important and they always change. The learning curve can be much higher.

My ideas on the matter, yours may differ.

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Old 07-03-2008, 11:51 PM
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It does take more talent to shoot action correctly, I mean not gripping and ripping as so many folks do nowadays.....
Motordrive crap?

You don't mean......

Nah....

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Old 07-21-2008, 07:34 PM
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Consider selling the parents a pre-paid photo credit for $150 in prints for a discounted price of $100 so they save $50 dollars and you get a guaranteed amount of $100 per child. Ordering $100 in prints for themselves and the grandparents is not a big deal and it helps to make it worth your while.

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Re: New Idea/Recommended Lens for Action Shots (Soccer)

I shoot soccer with my 50-200 lens which is 2.8 max f stop and at times will have the 1.4 attached, depending on my field position,, even under heavy clouds I can still grab shots with high enough speed without over driving the ISO,,

I also shoot a lot of indoor volleyball and basketball,, for those occasions I most always use my 35-100 f2 lens which works great,,

since I am shooting our grandkids I also include all the other team mates and build a yearly DVD for each player,, have done this for years and have always given away for no cost,, for the locations I am shooting at I am the only photographer shooting besides a few parents with P&S cameras,,

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First Curtis, I have a question for you. Do you do anything without first asking us?
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I nominate Curtis as the best experience miner on this forum. Maybe we should have a prize for THAT!
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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One caveat with this deposit idea, the folks that will ask will be the folks with the kid who doesn't do anything. It is almost always like that. Same goes for hockey. Some positions don't get action, unless it is bad (defenders, goalies etc) and they may not like the images you capture.
I just noticed this post. Jeffrey is right. Our best sales on football (American) were to defensive players who no one else bothered to shoot. Lots of decent sales (posters) to parents and you couldn't even see their faces. How the h*ll do you shoot a center, except straight-on with head down, ready to hike the ball? They still bought it.

Dennis, you've got to understand that Curtis lives in BC. Nothing to do all day because it rains constantly.

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