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Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review
drew
06-27-2007
Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus Problems- Interactive Review

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  #61  
By Marc_Schoenholz on 07-22-2007, 02:51 AM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

Drew,

Excellent, excellent work!!

You are creating a great deal of buzz for ProPhoto, and really bringing this issue to the forefront of photographic discussions.

I continue to be amazed by the power of the internet!!

Thanks for your tremendous effort,

Marc Schoenholz
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By ogcreid on 07-22-2007, 10:59 AM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

The price at which e-bay auctions of m3's close is back up to $5500 - it was dropping to around $5,000 a week or two back. This says that there is still a short supply, and either it's getting shorter, OR people are becoming more assured of getting a "good" copy, so demand has increased.
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By Steve_Ferrante on 07-22-2007, 12:35 PM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

Hey Drew!

Great work here. You've gone far beyond anyone else in trying to figure this thing out. I've read just about everything out there on the M3 AF issue from the 'big' sites. Still trying to form my own opinion. One thing has me puzzled and in fact, I've been wondering about this for a while. It seems that the DoF is extremely shallow, maybe just a few inches. I do realize that the closer you are to the subject, the shallower it will be. If you look at image 8049, for example, where the left pocket is in focus, none of the face is (including the side of the head) is in focus. I see the same thing in image 6202. The sleeve appears to be in line with the left ear but the ear doesn't appear to be as sharp as the sleeve. Judging from the photos it appears that there can't be more than a 5 inch distance between the pocket and the head (if that). Can the DoF be that shallow even at f2.8? Even some of the first few shots in the series where the subject is furthest away from the camera the DoF seems very shallow. I know it doesn't sound logical but could the DoF be shallower w/ the M3 compared to the M2 using the same lense? It seems like that would be easy to test.

While I don't have an M3 yet I have thought about some other ways to test. Someone mentioned (somewhere) the actual size of the FP's. I guess that can be figured out by taking an index card (or even something larger), drawing some lines on with a sharpie, lining it up with the Center FP (having the camera set up for just the center FP) and then moving it both vertically and horizontally (one direction at a time) to see when loses focus. I'd like to see a comparison of the FP size between the M2 and the M3. I'd be willing to bet that they're different with the M3's being smaller. Logic would say (at least to me) that the FP's should be just large enough so that they end where the adjacent FP begins.

Another thought that came to mind is the FPS compared to the M2's. While only 2 FPS faster, there are more shots taken within a given time frame. So where the M2 may have lost a shot trying to keep up with the subject, I think the chance of the M3 losing 2 shots (or more) in the same timeframe is greater thus reducing the 'keepers' in any given series.

Somehow I also think the focusing system is trying to be too smart. It should prevent the lense from going into hunt mode when continually focusing. I mean how far can the subject really move in anywhere from 1/5 to 1/10 of a second. The tracking seems to be ultra sensitive. Just my opinion.

Of course none of what I wrote has anything to do with the abililty of the M3 to lock focus and keep it there. That's a whole other issue.

Just my 2 cents.

Steve
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By DierkHaasis on 07-24-2007, 05:24 AM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

The whole problem looks more like a mix of conceptual error and personal preference than an actual technical fault.

Using an AF mode which automatically changes AF lock to try to get the best focus is bound to come up with lock areas the photographer does not intend - which is one reason to close aperture a bit to have a bit more leeway. It is quite obvious that the camera chooses points where contrast is highest, for the very simple reason that focus is easier and faster to attain. If I want to have a certain part in focus, like the face I have to go for another AF mode [or switch of completely and try manually]. So much for the conceptual part.

Aren't we asking of our light-sensitive computers a bit much if we expect them to read our minds ['Keep eyes in focus.'] and 10 razor-sharp photos per second?
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By ogcreid on 07-25-2007, 07:27 AM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

Yes we are asking alot. And the Mk2 delivers it. Why not the M3? It fails regardless of the settings, and when the single AF point is smack over the target. (I tried all kind of variations before returning mine)

As for stopping down a bit: why have 10 MP and an L lens that can resolve every pixel wide open? If stopping down is the fix, I can do as well with a Rebel and a cheap Tamron.
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By Larry_Marshall on 07-25-2007, 09:57 AM
Re: Canon 1D MKIII Autofocus- Interactive Review

I would be interested if anyone has had any problems returning your Mark III, especially after it has been used.
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By Larry_Marshall on 07-25-2007, 10:09 AM
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