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Old 10-09-2008, 07:46 PM
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This was shot late evening on cloudy day. Canon 580EX with Shoot-thru umbrella just out of frame camera right, snooted 580EX camera left and behind him. Shot after fluorescent lights turned on in overhang.

Shutter speed lowered to bring interior ambient up and show the banner. Shoot-thru was feathered down to take some heat off his face and give some details in his black slacks.

In converting to B&W it just seems too soft to me, and I can't figure what I have to do (reshoot?) to give it punch.


  


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Old 10-09-2008, 08:26 PM
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Re: Hair Salon Guy

Probably the way it was converted to B&W. I'm no expert on this, but I have seen various conversion actions that seek to replicate the look of a particular type of B&W film, which adjusts the contrast, (among other factors), to give the picture more punch.

Just a guess on my part, but it may not be in the shooting, but could be in the converting.
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:41 PM
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Re: Hair Salon Guy

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In converting to B&W it just seems too soft to me, and I can't figure what I have to do (reshoot?) to give it punch
Agree with Dennis. Show both color and b&w versions. I suspect you'll get some great ideas to get more punch.
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Re: Hair Salon Guy

Thanks Guys, attached below is the original, unprocessed image. I interpret your responses to mean you agree with me there's not much punch there.

I used Lightroom 2.0 to convert it to gray scale, pulling the red slider down to take some shine off the red wall, and softened the yellow and orange tints to try to make him stand out a bit more. Tweaked the blue to get his shirt a bit brighter in the B&W version...

Thanks for your help, this is a common problem I'm struggling with. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!


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Wow, you sure set yourself up with some challenging lighting! Flash mixed with two kinds of fluorescents, from the look of things, and no colored gel on the flash! Thus you've got yellow hair highlights in white hair, an overall pale cast, and greenish concrete.

Never fear, the color can be fixed, and a more "gritty" conversion to black and white is in order.

The one other thing that jumps out at me is that the floor looks a bit crooked, since the line where the floor meets the wall is not parallel to the bottom of the image.

This also can be fixed, with the Crop tool and Perspective feature enabled.

How do these edits look to you? Hopefully they can give you some ideas for direction.

All work done in Photoshop on a 400% upsample done with Genuine Fractals, then downsampled in the end and sharpened a bit.

For the color corrections, first I made the man look more healthy, then selected the floor and wall, leaving the man out of the selection, as he's mostly lit by flash. I used the Curves "Gray Point Dropper" function and sampled the concrete, which brought the floor color in line. Then I selected the inside of the store and used Curves and sampled the desk, which removed just a bit more yellow. I used my Local Contrast Enhancement with High Pass Filter action (from my dSLR Tools set) to increase the contrast a bit. Finally I cropped the image using the perspective crop tool and raised the bottom right corner point some.



For the black and white conversion I used an action I developed a long time ago. I was once going to sell this set; one day I may still. Basically it employs even more high pass filtering to raise the contrast of edges. I had to back the effect down in the man's pants and on the wall poster with the store's name, as they became too contrasty.



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Old 10-09-2008, 11:01 PM
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Re: Hair Salon Guy

Thanks Noel,

I forgot to mention that I had a 1/2 "Plus Green" gel on the shoot-thru umbrella and a 1/4 Plus Green on the snooted light (picked at random cause it was my first time shooting in a setting with fluorescent lights. I was after the effect of standing there in a setting sun environment when I adjusted the color cast in Lightroom, but obviously I didn't achieve that.

I'm not following all the technical explanation, but I will. I think you're also teaching me that the color has to be right before converting. Yes?

End result - both your color version and B&W version are much superior to mine. That's the pop I was looking for. Now, on to the training to figure out stuff...

Thanks again Sir!

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Old 10-09-2008, 11:12 PM
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Re: Hair Salon Guy

I'll be the first to say ANYTHING's fixable in Photoshop. I love working in Photoshop so every photo's a fun challenge to me. Getting it right in the camera means less fun in Photoshop. Okay, I'm a bit twisted.

That said, spot editing takes time, and if you do get the color balance of your lights more consistent during shooting, you'll have less work to do in a photo editor (e.g., you might be able to avoid pixel editing entirely) and that usually translates to a quicker path to $$$.

I've found fluorescent light color is all over the map. Hell, quite often two fixtures in the same ceiling don't emit the same color light, even when you make sure to set the shutter time long enough to avoid shooting during the "off" period when the AC current stops flowing (as it does every 1/120 second). Getting gel colors to match the lights can be a challenge, so don't feel bad. At least you had some color on them, which made the photo all the easier to fix.

I mentioned using the Image - Adjust - Curves function, choosing the gray point (center) dropper, and sampling the image. Experiment with that. You'll find you can fix color balance problems sometimes better than you can imagine using that function.

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