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Old 08-15-2009, 08:12 AM
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Is JPG Making A Comeback?

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Old 08-15-2009, 05:59 PM
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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

Hi Matt,

Appreciate your posts here to Pro Photo Home. However, when linking back to your site you need to provide at least a summary here of what you are linking to and why it is interesting.

PPH is not here to simply be a link farm for your blog.

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Old 08-15-2009, 09:32 PM
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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

Was it gone? No need for a comeback if it was never gone.

They called me stupid back when I questioned their unwavering devotion to Raw.

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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

JPG was the preferred format for a long time because it was faster and less labour intensive than working in RAW. Now with faster computers, and programs like Lightroom and Aperture, it's now faster to work in RAW, and you get a much nicer image to boot.

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Old 10-22-2009, 02:21 PM
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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

JPG? Hell no.
Well, let me re-state that answer: The only time I will shoot in JPG format is when (lack of) time makes it impractical to shoot RAW. A good example of this in my business is at a motorsports event, where I might shoot 3500 images in a day; these all need to be downloaded, culled, and sorted, and it's all we can do to get that done and still be able to fill our onsite orders. There is simply no time to wait for RAW conversion.

On Tuesday afternoon I shot a handful of frames of my dog playing with a ball in the front yard in the late afternoon (October) sun. I was using my Nikon D3, 400/2.8 VR, ISO 500, Large/Fine JPG, WB set to "sunlight". Once I downloaded and viewed them on the computer, I was completely dismayed at the horrid color; everything was way too yellow and contrasty. Had I shot them in RAW, it would have been simple to produce a great final image, but I was stuck with a 'less than good' result, just because I thought I'd play around with some JPG files.

More anecdotal evidence that JPG sucks:
I shot a wedding recently. I always use my D3 as the primary body, and keep a D300 in my bag as a backup. But on a whim during the ceremony on this particular day, I decided to pull the D300 out of the bag and use it with my 70-200/2.8 VR for some tighter telephoto shots. I did not take the time to ensure the camera was set to RAW before taking a couple dozen photos. The results? Ew...! The JPG shots are easy to identify when I look at the proofs.

Now, I know what (someone) is going to say: That if everything had been set "properly" in the camera - white balance, exposure, 'picture style' (or whatever)... - that the JPG would look just as good, or even better, than the JPG produced from a RAW file. Well, save your effort. I contend that you simply cannot nail every shot, every time. If you insist on shooting JPG's alone, there are shots you will miss...especially when you're under pressure - at a wedding, for example.

I distinctly remember making an argument FOR shooting JPG's - possibly on the old Rob Galbraith forum. This was at least a few years ago, before Lightroom, and before I was shooting 18-20 weddings a year. Now, I can't imagine going back. RAW is a given for me.

PS. Once again, I wrote a response to a Matt Ballard (content-less) "post" based solely on the thread title, as I refuse to click over to his site, on principle. Bear in mind that I have no idea what conclusion the OP came to; I'm only relaying MY thoughts on the JPG vs. RAW question. That said, I am at least grateful that there was a new thread to read and reply to here on PPH.

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Old 10-22-2009, 05:10 PM
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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

Gee, I hate to revive an old MB thread. I don't know what he posted either Terry, he's on my ignore list - the one and only on my list.

Back to raw vs jpg.

I did get LR2 and spent a fair bit of time working with it and raw files. My preferred choice is to shoot both but it all depends upon the situation. Last night I was shooting a hockey league off the ice. They refused to allow anything on-ice, so I shot individual players on jpg and teams on raw/jpg with green screen. Weird? Not really. Many of the teams were solid white or black uniforms and raw provides me better control to pull out detail in the highlights and shadows quickly that jpg will drop.

Why not raw for everything? The individuals are pre-set and I know the exposure & WB will be perfect. The real difference is that MY jpg workflow is so much faster than my raw workflow. I use Express Digital to print and corrections are much faster with jpg than LR - by quite a lot. Not everyone has the luxury of that program though.

A football league shot a week ago was a great example. Outdoors, the light conditions were dramatically changing every moment. Even photos of the same player were way different. Out of 300 shots, I reverted to raw for 6 of them and got better results.

So, to each of us there is a reason. Mine is the quality/cost issue. If I can produce visually identical results faster with jpg and can shoot under controlled conditions, I still prefer jpgs.

Interesting to see your reasoning Terry and appreciate your post.

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Re: Is JPG Making A Comeback?

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Now, I know what (someone) is going to say: That if everything had been set "properly" in the camera - white balance, exposure, 'picture style' (or whatever)... - that the JPG would look just as good, or even better, than the JPG produced from a RAW file.
It goes beyond that. The problem is, JPEG is a baked rendering produced by the camera. Its not that it sucks when you don’t screw up, its you have zero control over the process. Its like taking a good negative to a decent lab using an automatic process. You’ll get a good print. You take the same neg to a pro lab, you’ll usually get a much better print. But if you make the print, assuming you’re a decent printer, you control the subtleties of the process and get exactly what you want.

With Raw, you’ve got, well Raw digital data. Its digital clay. Depending on who’s shaping it, you’ll get a beautiful vase or an ugly ashtray. But the point is, if you the image creator want to go into a totally different direction in terms of rendering, you can. Not the case with a JPEG. Its baked pixels, good luck removing or improving the specific ingredients.

If good enough, or even “good” is all you need, shoot JPEG. If having the utmost control in a digital darkroom is your goal, or making virtual copies and making many different rendering decisions is your goal, you want Raw data.
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