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Old 09-20-2009, 06:59 AM
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Re: Photography as a Profession?

If you are taking pictures at an event where anybody can turn up with a camera and take pictures of course you will struggle to sell pictures for money with a target audience that fails to understand the difference in quality and even then probably wouldn't consider it to be an important factor. You need to do something with greater exclusivity and clients who appreciate the value of what is being offered. My main advice to any photographer starting today would be to avoid stock photography.

  


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Old 09-20-2009, 07:29 PM
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Re: Photography as a Profession?

Well said. It seems to me the whole of the problem can be summed up this way:

It's all about differentiating your work from the crowd.

When the crowd is large you can be trampled.

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Re: Photography as a Profession?

Hello,

I am just new to this forum...and by chance read your post .
I am one of those young ones you probably don't like because they have a Rebel or whatever and feel important.

It is true, that having an SLR camera has become so normal. When I travel now, everyone has one. But...there is still a difference between just buying it, using Auto, and that's it (I have a few friends like that.....).

I have become very passionate about photography and have now a little equipment, and like it soooo much. I have thought about making a little money with it, and I signed up with microstock. But you know...it's all a passion and not primarily for making money. And I would like it stays like that.

I am an engineer also, almost done with PhD. and thus for sure photography will not be the primary income. I will think double of your advice.

Sometimes I think very much. Young people like me who bought a good camera (although I bought right away a better one with not the kit lens), must be kind of annoying to the pro-world. And then they sell microstock things, which kind of takes away market from the pros.
But on the other hand....maybe we feel the same passion as you did when you started it all!
And it must have been more exciting when there was still film! Now a big part of what I don't like is hanging in front of your screen all the time to edit pictures.

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Re: Photography as a Profession?

Aside from the photography as a profession, Simone, welcome to the forum.
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Re: Photography as a Profession?

There's no exclusive club to be a photographer, so welcome aboard.

I'd be careful about Microstock. If someone asked you design a widget for a dollar on the basis that they could sell it a thousand times, you'd tell them to get bent.

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Old 09-21-2009, 08:10 PM
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Re: Photography as a Profession?

Simone:
I am not annoyed by young photographers or Mom/Dad photographers, I'm happy to see so many people wanting to take photos. The point of my original post was that photography has gotten so easy that almost anyone can take a descent photo thereby making it difficult to sell photos. My local paper, Dayton Daily News, frequently features photos on the their sports page that are contributed photos. One of their staff photogs (Ron Alvey) takes brilliant photos but he can't be everywhere and the contributed photos are good enough for them to feature. Why would they hire another photographer when they can get contributed photos? It's just the state of photography, not good nor bad, but hard to make a living doing it.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:27 PM
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Re: Photography as a Profession?

Simone's post brought back some recent memories I have been trying to suppress. As part of my rehabilitation process, I thought I should add to the discussion. Some of you may have noticed a touch of anger in a few my posts of late and this comment is absolutely not intended to be anti-amateur, just a bit of insight.

Four months ago we started looking to add one more part-time person to our small staff. Specifically, I wanted a woman for our pre-school program and to be able to take maternity portraits, child portraits, etc. I hired a very nice 30 something woman who worked briefly at Wallymart but was disillusioned with the assembly line system. She had an amazing 'passion' for photography. It only took a few days for me to get into arguments with her over our idea that photography was a passion yes, but a business first. You can't feed the family, pay the mortgage and fill the gas tank with 'passion'. She had no interest in taking 5 minutes per child at a preschool, she wanted to create a 'masterpiece' each time. Great, but the average sale is $35. range for preschools. Hmmm. Her marketing plan was to take portraits for free and when the customers were 'wowed', they would pay $10. for an 8x10 that she wanted to get printed at the local PiggyWiggly for 68 cents. I wished her luck and finally let her go after only working a dozen days because I could not devote the hours necessary to make her understand that 'business is business' - ya gotta get the job done with a profit.

Next I interviewed a lady with great qualifications - just amazing. No driver's licence, no car. Our studio is 10 miles from anywhere and all our jobs are on location. 'You must own a car' was clearly stipulated in our ad. I'm baffled on that one.

Then another interview with a well qualified lady who worked part-time for another studio. After 5 minutes of interview, she gushed of her 'passion' for photography and portraiture. She had spent a few days taking some decent photos of a football team in our market area. So, how much did she charge for the prints ??? FREE to all players!! - just did it to be nice!!! Great I said, but do you realize that you just took hundreds of dollars from my pocket by doing it for free. At least you could have charged the minimum going rate?? She could not understand at any level that people should make a living doing something that was a pure joy. Of course, her hubby was rich - that sorta explained everything.

Last, I hired another lady. I was so careful to explain our philosophy and policies during a 45 min interview. She seemed genuinely excited. She worked 4 hours, then quit. She said "I just don't think I could possibly sell anything I photograph, I do it because I love it so much".

Whew. I'm just so confused. Actually, that's not true, I'm peed-off. Everyone thinks that money has no meaning anymore. Maybe I should join the ranks of the unemployed and see if it's true.

I still have an opening for a part-time person but I think I need to have someone else do the interviews. I may start to get violent.

Is it me or has there been a full moon every night for the last few months???

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