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Old 10-08-2009, 05:42 AM
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Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

I wanted to ask all you Nikon users (I am a Nikon guy too) if any of you had considered the Leica M9 as a replacement or additional camera to add to your arsenal? I am currently shooting with the D300, and want to upgrade to either the D3 or D3x, but after reading Ken Rockwell's website about the M9, he has me almost convinced to sell all my Nikon stuff and shoot Leica. I was going to ask this question in the Leica forum, but wanted an unbiased opinion from fellow Nikon users...what do you guys think?

By the way, I am an underwater photographer, and will keep my Nikon for my underwater work....my other work is mostly landscapes and travel photography.

  

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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

Radically different tools that produce radically different images, because they provide radically different ways of seeing. I'm going to guess that if you are asking this question in this manner, you probably have little to no experience with rangefinders. If you're intrigued with the M9, you should probably rent or borrow a rangefinder—digital or film—for at least a week and do a lot of shooting before considering dropping $10k on an M9 rig.

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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

Hi Martin,

Can you be more specific on what you mean by "radically" different images?

Most important to me is image quality...especially when it comes to producing large prints.

If I go for the D3X, I will also be forking out 10K in new equipment...I just want to be getting the best equipment I can for that kind of money....The M9 or the D3X?

Not possible for me to rent a rangefinder here in Indonesia (that I know of). I have no experience with a rangefinder, but certainly willing and able to learn...
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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

I'm with Martin, they are very different animals. Before dropping 10k on a Leica system I'd find a way to get used to it for less, even if that means finding a used M2, M4 or M6 and a "cheap" 50 or 35mm lens. It takes a while and some practice to get used to working with a rangefinder. That being said, I love them, but I'd never suggest anyone spend that kind of money without first trying one.
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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

If you want to make large prints, the D3x will kill the Leica. I gave up on using rangefinders years ago, as they're too slow and I hated using the view finders.

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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

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Can you be more specific on what you mean by "radically" different images?
There are others who could (and probably have) discuss this with clarity and poignancy. I can only scratch the surface. There are two main factors: (1) with a rangefinder, you are composing and focusing through a very bright sidecar viewfinder, not through the lens, and (2) you are using fundamentally different optics. There are other factors that also matter: rangefinder cameras have a distinctive form factor, you hold them differently, people react to them differently. It all adds up to a different working style that happens to suit some and not others.

Bottom line: you will take completely different pictures with the rangefinder. It's actually quite interesting to take a rangefinder and an SLR to the same subject and then examine the resulting pictures.

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Most important to me is image quality...especially when it comes to producing large prints.
There are lots of different qualities to seek in photography, and no camera system will deliver them all.

A pretty strong argument can be made that—today—the D3x delivers the best overall image quality of the highest resolution full frame ~35mm DSLRs on the market. (But not quite the best low light performance.) Of course, you have to have the right optics and technique to actually extract all that potential on a consistent basis. (Your total investment may ultimately run closer to $20k than $10k, depending on what you've got and what you're trying to achieve.) A D3x is also a bulky, heavy camera, and the top-notch glass that is needed to extract 24 megapixels of detail also tends to be relatively bulky and heavy. That may conflict somewhat with your other priorities. A D3x kit is a lot of work to travel with and looks more like a weapon in hand than a small rangefinder camera. Moreover, digital camera bodies go obsolete and depreciate at an appalling pace; does an $7500 body make sense to you? Maybe!

If form factor isn't a concern, however, and you're not addicted to burst or indiscriminate shooting, perhaps you'd be better off with medium format digital. Or even medium format film (which is cheap and can—in some ways and situations—annihilate any DSLR in image quality)?


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If I go for the D3X, I will also be forking out 10K in new equipment...I just want to be getting the best equipment I can for that kind of money....The M9 or the D3X?
All I can say is that you haven't said anything yet that clearly narrows your choice down to those two.

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Not possible for me to rent a rangefinder here in Indonesia (that I know of). I have no experience with a rangefinder, but certainly willing and able to learn...
You might like it. You might not. Do you have access to a film lab over there? If so, then a used M6 or Mamiya 7 might be the best research step, since they're relatively cheap and you can reliably resell those cameras and lenses for nearly what you pay for them.

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Re: Nikon D3(X) vs Leica M9

The other thing to keep in mind is that you might not need a D3x. I use a D700, along with pro level, but older, AF-S glass (17-35mm, 28-70mm, and 70-200mm, none of which are in production anymore), and get perfect prints up to 12x18", and super nice looking 24x36" prints.

Shooting rangefinders is more of an aesthetic thing than something you can measure. It feels good to shoot a rangefinder, and some say that makes you shoot better pictures. Maybe it's like listening to music on vinyl records, or hunting with a bow and arrow.

When I was a student, I asked a famous photo journalist why he didn't shoot with Leica cameras, and he answered "because I can't afford expensive jewelry". That's been my attitude ever since.

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