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Old 05-20-2008, 12:47 AM
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My first impressions: D3

First, you should know I'm a Canon guy. I've owned the following Canon SLR's:
35mm: AE-1; T-70; 630; Elan; A2E
Digital: D60; 10D; 1D; 1D Mark II; 30D; 1D Mark III

By contrast, I've only owned ONE Nikon (a D70), which I bought on a Friday when I needed another camera for a third shooter at one of my events. I sold the D70 the following Tuesday; I didn't like it too much.

I love the (Canon) 1DM3. It's a great camera. It's amazingly responsive, well thought-out, has excellent ergonomics, an easy-to-use menu system, and it makes some very nice images. And I do have a bunch of money into my Canon system, with three 1-series bodies, a Sigma 120-300/2.8, a few Canon L lenses, including a 400/2.8, plus flashes, remotes, etc. But I was (obviously) curious about the D3. It has a bunch of nice attributes, primarily the full-frame sensor; but also the high ISO performance; the 4:5 and DX crop modes; the amazing LCD screen; a Live View mode that actually allows AF(!); and Nikon's highly-regarded flash metering. So I bought a D3 and a 24-70 AF-S f/2.8G ED, and "Brown Santa" (LOL @ Bill) brought it to me today. So I thought I'd share my initial impressions, which I thought might be an interesting read, coming from a self-proclaimed Canon guy.

First impression - physical:
The body seems so BIG. And I have LARGE hands, but the camera does not fit my hand comfortably; the contour at the front of the grip is too sharply defined, and I don't feel like a one-handed grip is solid enough. I am surprised at how thick the camera is overall from front to back, but I guess it doesn't really matter, since in my hands the camera feels large, but well-balanced, and not too heavy. The viewfinder is beautiful; nice and large, and the superimposed crop marks (when in DX and 4:5 modes) are very well implemented. I like the size of the top LCD screen, but the rear screen is just a thing of beauty, and displays an impressive amount of information. The zoom feature in playback is very useful.

Controls/layout/menus:
It will take some adjustment for me to get used to the placement of the main and sub control dials. The Nikon has a LOT of buttons (too many, is my first thought), and some are labeled cryptically. I like the menu system, and there are a lot of nice features. I don't like the manual focus point selection using the multi-controller; the Canon utilizes the large rear dial for focus point selection, which I think works a bit better.

Image quality:
Wow. Not bad, and just what I was hoping for. I'm sure the fact that the 24-70 is a great piece of glass doesn't hurt.

I only shot about 20 frames, but I figured I'd share a couple. These were both shot as NEFs and converted using PS CS3:
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The first shot (my dog) obviously has just a tiny touch of saturation... ...but I'm pretty happy with the detail at 100%. This was literally one of the first dozen frames I shot.

The second (my cat) was done using only the rapidly diminishing sunlight coming through the window in my office, and was shot at ISO 12,800, and in 4:5 mode. No, it's not noise-free...but it's not bad, considering there is no noise reduction done in the file conversion. (Note: I mistakenly thought the NR feature on the camera was disabled, but I later saw it was on the normal setting. This is a little disappointing...)

Overall, I like it so far. I'd like to use it for back-to-back weddings I have scheduled in mid-June, so I'm going to need to practice with it a lot. I will, of course, have my 1DM3 on hand to back me up, but I think I'll be fairly adept with the D3 by then.


By the way, I did NOT buy the D3 because I'm unhappy with my 1DM3, or with Canon's handling of the 1DM3's "autofocus problems". In fact, I was pretty pleased with the AF performance of my 1DM3. And judging by how many prints I sold from that camera at events I've covered since last September, my customers don't have a problem with it, either. Admittedly, when viewed at 100% magnification, I found the focus to be slightly off in more shots than expected. Fortunately, it is close enough that on an 8x10 print you'd be hard-pressed to tell, and fortunately, it does not happen when shooting in one-shot AF mode, or when you're shooting in AI Servo focus mode, but at slow frame rates (up to a few per second), or when the subject is not traveling directly towards the camera. I dropped off my 1DM3 at Canon right after doing the transaction for the D3, and I am VERY happy with the level of service they are providing (2-3 day turnaround and FedEx next-day shipping), and particularly the fact that the factory warranty is starting over.

Somehow I doubt that if some pixel-peeper discovered that some D3's have some kind of problem, but only on the third Tuesday of each month, and only when the moon is full and near the horizon, that Nikon would respond to the same level that Canon has over this issue. And frankly, I hope I never have to count on Nikon to fix and return my D3 in a hurry, because most of what I've heard about Nikon's CS is negative.

So here I go, playing the same game on opposing teams. Should be fun...
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....I hope I never have to count on Nikon to fix and return my D3 in a hurry, because most of what I've heard about Nikon's CS is negative...


Terry,

Nikon has twice replaced shutters for me in under a week. NPS provides me with FREE loaners while my bodies and lenses are being tweaked or repaired. 2 years ago when Nikon couldn't nail down the cause of a AF circuit that was constantly blowing on a D2X they sent me a D2Xs free. Didn't ask for me to send back the battery, charger, etc. I ended up on the + side just in getting spares!

I had a D3 on an evaluation loan for a month. THEY CALLED ME to set it up. I have direct numbers to the Nikon reps and they return calls when I have questions.

When I goofed and sent my body in for a repair the week of my wedding without the NPS label, Debbie and Mona went hunting through the incoming repairs to find MY camera and had in AND OUT of the tech's hands the SAME DAY.

On the FEW occasions that I've had a redo Nikon issued a call tag and paid the shipping both ways OVERNIGHT!

About the ONLY thing that NPS hasn't done is make me chicken soup when I get a cold.

Sorry dude, but one of my guys just shelled out $380+ to have his 1d's focus tweaked. No parts, JUST AN ADJUSTMENT almost 4 bills. I'm not going to get into a Canon/Nikon war but Nikon's NPS service is AWESOME. He's a CPS member and is floored in the difference between the two services. And rumor is that Canon wants to charge $$$ for the membership.

I don't know what you have heard but I DO know what I have
experienced.

If I ever hit one of those 100Mil lottos the entire NPS staff in NY are going to the Bahamas for a week on me!

Debbie, Anne, Bill, Mike, John, Mona, keep a bag packed!
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I don't know what you have heard but I DO know what I have experienced.
Very true. I don't have any firsthand experience, so ALL I have to go on is what I read from people who have been through it with Nikon. Granted, most of them probably are not NPS members.

Funny thing is, I'm not a CPS member (I don't know why), but I'm still quite satisfied with Canon service. It does not hurt that I only live two hours from their NJ facility and can drop off my stuff in person.

What's required to become an NPS member? I'm sure that spending $6600 on Nikon gear in an afternoon isn't enough...
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From what I read, NPS is dramatically different depending upon the location of the facility. There was a lengthy discussion on this on another forum with some really horrific experiences.

BTW, NPS and CPS is simply an application form proving that you are a pro. I returned mine half filled without any customer letters and I still got it. I said look at my web site and bio, if that's not enough then, stick it! I understand others have not been so fortunate.

Thanks for the D3 feedback. I forsee this year as being another milestone in camera development. I expect 2 major entries by Canon and 1 biggie from Sony.
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I have two new issues:

1. What the heck is Nikon thinking...NO flash exposure compensation control on the camera body? That's simply inexcusable! Even my 30D has that...

2. During image review, the LCD screen inexplicably goes dark (turns off). I figured it was because I was inadvertently touching some button (like the shutter button or vertical grip shutter button or something) that was causing this. But that's not the case; even with the camera on a table and my hands off the camera, the display would go dark during playback. The timing is random, anywhere from half a second to eight or ten seconds. I cannot find a playback/display timer setting (as the Canons have)...am I missing something?

EDIT: I see this is a wide-spread problem; lots of guys are reporting this on the Nikonians forum. Several report they have called Nikon to report the problem. Not surprisingly, Nikon claims they've never heard of it. I don't expect a fix.

There is also the "empty battery" issue with the D3. I haven't seen it yet, but it is apparently caused by even the most slightly dirty contacts, or loose lens connection. Interestingly, as brutally as I treat my Canon stuff (I shoot a lot of MX, hare scrambles, and enduro racing...very dirty, wet, muddy conditions), I can't recall ever having an electrical contact or lens issue.

Eric, you mention that you had two shutter failures and an AF circuit problem. Sorry to hear it. My experience with Canon is different; I've never had a component failure with a Canon EOS body, digital or otherwise (and I've owned eleven of them). I don't know that my 1DM3 suffered as a result of the mirror box issue, but either way, this the first time I've had a body back to Canon for anything other than a 'clean and check'.

I guess I'm just going to have to get used to the idea that in Nikonland, problems should be expected and planned for. I had always figured it would be a good idea to keep my Canon gear close by as a backup when shooting with the D3, but now I will make absolutely sure I do so...

I am still stoked about the D3; I generally like it. The image quality is very nice. I'm just not sure it's all going to be worth it in the end.

I will be keeping a very interested eye on Canon's next move, and the D3 box and packing nearby and ready to go...just in case.

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The camera that went back for the 2 shutters has about 400K clicks! If you are getting that out of the Canon bodies you are doing great. Like I said i don't want to turn this into a n/c debate. There are a fair number of threads reporting error 99's for a litany of reasons on Canon bodies. I've only ever dealt with NPS in NY.

I have a friend that shoots Canon. He has the 2n, 10D, 20D, and a 5D ALL have gone back to have focus adjusted.

Joining NPS requires a sponsor, a list of gear from Nikon's pro line... etc. Most importantly to Nikon is that membership is restricted to FULL TIME working pros. Personally I support the notion of keeping membership to only full time photogs.

I've been a Nikon shooter 2+ decades and this is the BEST body that they have put out yet. The system is different, and just like a mac person would be lost in Windows, I'm sure that it will take you some time to learn the Nikon system.

Let me put it to you another way.

I am totally bilingual. I am able to bounce back and forth between languages mid-sentence without pause or the need to re-craft the sentence. I was told that this is because I learned both languages from birth and that my brain wired itself in such a way that the languages are parallel.

My dad, uncle, and other relatives on the other hand learned English as adults. My dad held a post in the Consular Corps and as such learned several languages. The thing is that for him every language that he learned he learned to filter through his primary language. There is a constant translation going on in his head. He lives 90% of his life with running subtitles in both directions.

Just like he will always filter a word from French or English or German through his Portuguese you may always filter a Nikon setting through what it would have been on a Canon. That being the case you may learn the new system...... but Canon will always be your filter. Just like not every word can be translated not every setting will be a direct 1:1 conversion. The flash comp is a prime example.

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I'm extremely open to the idea of owning both brands. I've just spent a bunch of money on what amounts to a hunch that I might somehow be better served by a D3. So I really want to like the Nikon.

I haven't put 400K on any Canon body; the closest I've come is my 1DM2, which has a little over 300K, I believe.

I'm not surprised that the amateur-level Canon stuff your friend has owned has been back to Canon for adjustment. They aren't built as well, and I'm sure the overall quality is lower. (Full-frame sensor or not, I don't view the 5D as a pro body...) I'm sure Nikon has its share of adjustment/repair issues with its amateur bodies as well.

Photography is not my full-time job. I make slightly more at my IT job than I do via photography. Yet I make more income from photography alone than many full-time "pros" earn in a year. I spend just as much on equipment as those full-time guys. Please explain to me why I deserve any less attention than someone who just scrapes by, but is a full-time photographer (a newspaper guy, for example...)

I don't think Canon requires that photography be a CPS member's only source of income. In any case, I don't see that Nikon (or Canon, for that matter) would need to know that I have a "day job" as well. I could easily portray myself as a full-time photographer. That whole requirement just strikes me as dumb.
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