D2H Skin Tone

[Israel_Hadari]

And here I think yjat the color of the teeth came out pretty good and not yellow. Photo at 500asa

[Dennis_Stiff]

Danny and Israel those are both great photographs. When I view them on my monitor I see blotchy smooth yellow and excess magenta skin tones. If you don't see this then I must have a problem with my image viewing setup. If no one else on the list see's this then there is no doubt that the problem is on my side. But like I said at the begining, D2H images don't look good to me on the web compared to other Nikon models and other brands. There must be an explaination out there somewhere.

DennisS

[Ethan_Hansen]

Danny,

I looked at your shot and tried assigning both sRGB and Adobe RGB to it. In both cases, the side and tip of the woman's nose, above her upper lip, and her chin all have magenta casts. Whether this is objectionable is going to be a matter of personal preference.

[DougThompson]

Interesting that some see yellow and magenta on the photos in question and some don't.

Neither photo showed magenta or yellow casts when I pulled them up on my monitors (Apple Cinema 23" HD Display and LaCie 22" Electron Blue). No magenta or yellow cast when I printed them out on an Epson 2200.

I think, as someone pointed out earlier, that we are seeing problems with color calibrations of monitors and printers and the D2H may be taking the blame.

It took me a while to learn the differences of color on the new sensor in the D2H but once I did, the color and detail has been better than what I got out of my D1X. There's a 25 x 44 print hanging in my studio right now that was taken on the D2H under difficult conditions (nighttime concert) and printed on an Epson 9600 and visitors still ask if it is film or digital (most can't tell).

Is the D2H a perfect camera? Of course not. No digital is. Is it a usable tool that makes money? Absolutely. My two D2Hs have paid for themselves several times over already and I have not had one complaint from a client or customer about the quality of prints from either body.

Just one man's experiences. Other opinions may (and often do) vary.

Doug
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In both cases, the side and tip of the woman's nose, above her upper lip, and her chin all have magenta casts<<<

Therefore, how does a camera, so "evolved" in the hardware, become such a throw-back (magenta=D1 Daze.)

I'm just still not getting it.

The D1H/X series camera have / had such nice color (in general.) Why did Nikon take it upon themselves to mess with the sensor.


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SAS

Neither photo showed magenta or yellow casts when I pulled them up on my monitors<<<

Yes, but with all due respect, Ethan (from what I know of him) is a person who deals in color as a business and is probably well equipped to make an objective observation.

And, again, it's not just me (crying the blues, ahem) but _many many_ others who see the same problems over and over (yellow / magenta skin.)

So, each side of the fence sees the other as being "nuts."

What does that mean? We all can't be nuts. Most of the folks liking it are qualified. Most of the folks not liking it are qualified.

It's the Jeckyll and Hyde of all cameras!

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SAS

[AnthonyMedici]

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Therefore, how does a camera, so "evolved" in the hardware, become such a throw-back (magenta=D1 Daze.)

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I believe Scotty from Star Trek once explained his opinion of this. I don't remember the quote exactly so I'll refrain from stating what I remember of it.

My feeling is that it is possible for the D2H to be incorrectly tuned so that the green channel, which is responsible for Green and Magenta, to be out of sync with the Red and Blue channels. I don't take images of people and know little about flesh tone but I do take images of skies and subjects that are suppose to be white. I've found that in general, MY CAMERA produces greens that are too high, making my skies too greenish. I said my camera because I have no idea what other people's cameras are doing. It seems to me that if the green channel is too low, you get a Magenta cast and if the green channel is too high, you get a green or yellow cast. (I have pictures of snow geese at sunrise that look yellow rather than golden from the light.)

What I don't know yet is if Nikon can adjust this through servicing the camera. I will be finding out in the next few weeks as I plan to send the camera in to find out.

Now, how have I been surviving with a "problem camera"? I know how to tweak the curves of the green channel to get rid of the shift. The problem is the shift depends on other things like the exposure so this isn't consistent between images so I hesitate to make it generally available since I've only discovered this through trial and error. (On each image individually.)

I don't want to get into should I have to or not. I'm not one that blames the camera. I simply adjust to what the camera requires me to do to get what I want. To my knowledge, every dSLR to date has some problem that needs to be worked around.

Tony

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