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Old 10-20-2006, 07:54 PM
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which ISO as default

My wife & I, pensioners, this year bought a 2nd hand 4x4 Prado with rooftent and spent 2 months in Kgalaghadi & Kruger Parks in SA. These photographic trips will be an annual 4 month event with the trip in 2007 concentrating on Etosha
I am using both the 1Ds2 (500mm F4 lens) mounted on a Kirk windowmount & macklin 20 ball head & 1D2 (70-200, 2.8, IS lens) which is handheld or supported on a beanbag as my standard equipment. My wife uses a 350D with the 70-300DO lens & will now mount my kindly donated 300mm F4.0 on her birthday present the 400D.

This elderly but enthusiatic (fervent) wildlife team took some good shots this last trip but Im having trouble getting pinsharp action pictures . For example I was surprised by a fish eagle swooping down to try & steal the barbel fish in the beak of a saddle bill stork and a lioness kill of an impala on a dry river bed

These once in a life time type opportunities are not as sharp as they should be. The lion kill was on the wrong side of the car and I had to rest my lens on the windowsill while lying in an almost horizontal position. So there are factors which one cant do much about but my question relates to improving the odds i.e. the ISO value.

The unpredictable shots are the sudden bursts of action and thus speed is essential. I up to now between the sunrise & sunset hours routinely change from 400 ISO to 200 ISO as my standard setting. The other default settings are chosen to "allow capture" of sudden action (+ AV priority or manual, F5.6, AI servo, continuous shooting, single spot autofocus, 9 autofocus points possible, and IS left on all the time for both lenses).

I wonder if the resolution I would lose by using 400 ISO as default instead of 200 ISO would be worth it considering the gain in shutter speed for the action shots described above.

I could always revert back to 200 ISO when I "believe" the subject is "likely" to remain "inactive". I already adjust the other settings for depending on expected conditions and composition desired. I just wonder if the difference in reolution of 200 and 400 ISO will be noticeable. The reviews I have read talk about real differences from 800 ISO upwards

  


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Old 10-20-2006, 09:14 PM
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Re: which ISO as default

Hmmm. I'm tempted to say, why not try it and see?

But instead I'll say, in the world of sports shooting, we say "Never sacrifice shutter speed for ISO," and "A sharp noisy shot is better than a clean blurry one."

What that translates to is this: Use the lowest ISO that gives you the shutter speed you need, but no less. I would think that guideline would be equally applicable to what you're doing.

The good news is you are fortunate enough to have two of the very best cameras available in terms of high ISO performance (as well as in terms of just about everything else, for that matter). So don't be afraid to use it, and learn how to use it. That means proper exposure and, when necessary (which will probably be less often than you think), judicious use of noise reduction software.

Remember the old guideline about 1/focal length as a reasonable minimum handholding shutter speed. That means if everything goes right using good technique... bracing, breathing out, squeezing the shutter, etc. On your 1D that also means 1/focal length x 1.3, because of the crop factor. And again, that's minimum. More is better, especially when your subject is moving.

Your 500 is non-IS, right? I'd think as a general rule you'd want to shoot for a minimum shutter of 1/1000 with that lens whenever possible, and again, the more the better. If you have to ramp up the ISO to get there, then ramp it up. With the IS (and of course less focal length) on your 70-200 you can get away with less, but still, more is better, especially if you're like me and get excited at the moment of truth, which leads to poor technique, which in turn leads to wishing for more shutter speed. ;-)

Whoops just re-read your post and now see that your 500 is indeed IS. Maybe that means 1/500 is a more reasonable minimum, maybe not. Once you get up in the range of 400mm+, technique becomes critical.

Anyway, having said all that, now I'll say go ahead and try it. Go out and shoot with both your cameras in various types of light at every ISO you have available, right up to 3200, and see what you get. Then learn how to make it better. (You're shooting RAW, right?)

And practice, practice, practice. No lions or zebras in your neighborhood? Practice on trucks and motorcycles and bicycles and squirrels. That way, when the once in a lifetime opportunity presents itself, you won't be practicing anymore — you'll be ready.

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Old 10-21-2006, 06:18 AM
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Thanks Nil, for the useful advice. I realise that there is nothing like ones own experience and I will continue to try different settings. But when is 65 years and only have 30 years more photographic pleasure to go (Ive always been a pessimist), its wonderful to get tips (shortcuts) from professionals in order to decrease the number of experiments & trials in the search for an optimal work flow.

We are in the parks out of camp & on the road or at water holes from sun up till sundown in the baking heat or the freezing cold. Thus we spend many hours practising with the different techniques but super to have confirmed that using 400 rather than 200 ISO is probably the least of my technical problems in obtaining great wildlife photos. I had noted that in my many books by great wildlife photographers e.g. Lanting, McDonalds, Bloom, Rouse, Wolfe etc that even with DSLR that 400 ISO is very rarely used. I was therefore relectant to use the higher ISO to try & compensate for deficits in my technique (6 months experience with the 500mm lens)
Well were of next week for a brief trip of 3 weeks to the Kgalaghadi & Kruger to try the above out in the November heat. I will take serial shots at different ISO's of the more common scenes to try & assess their role in my misses & keepers

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Old 10-21-2006, 06:40 AM
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You make me very jealous Howard, what a great life - can't wait to be rid of the kids and do as your doing.

Interesting post and reply from Nill.

One area you haven't mentioned Nill is any techniques regarding using AI Servo and how the predictive focusing works (and when it doesn't !!!). Tried to read up about it but very little info, any advice please ??

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You make me very jealous Howard, what a great life - can't wait to be rid of the kids and do as your doing.
Don't be wishin' yer life away, Duncan!

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One area you haven't mentioned Nill is any techniques regarding using AI Servo and how the predictive focusing works (and when it doesn't !!!). Tried to read up about it but very little info, any advice please ??
This document is a great resource on that and many other useful points.

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Old 10-28-2006, 09:00 PM
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Hello Howard,
I'll just toss in my 2 cents worth. With digital and telephoto IS lenses, I have used 400 ISO as a default setting for 4 years and am quite happy with it. I have had a number of magazine covers (Texas Parks and Wildlife Magaziine as well as Texas Highways Magazine) with 400 ISO images and the noise is very acceptable. I believe the noise at 400 ISO is better than the "grain" with 100 speed Sensia film. Have a look at some of the flying Harris's Hawks at the bottom of the page at:
Harris's Hawk (Parabuteo unicinctus)
All these were at 400 ISO with a Canon 500 F/4 L IS at about 1/2000 second. I sometimes drop back to 200 ISO, but often I find the results at 400 are quite nice. I realize that landscapes and other situations are quite different, but for moving wildlife including flying birds, 400 ISO and an IS lens are the cat's meow. Anyway, just my thoughts. I use AI servo exclusively.
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Old 10-28-2006, 10:30 PM
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IMO the "resolution loss" between ISO 200 and 400 with a Canon 5D is practically negligible, I don't imagine it would be a practical issue with a 1Ds2 either. I don't hesitate to shoot ISO 800, either. With these cameras a too-slow shutter speed is far more disastrous to sharp image-making than a too-high ISO!

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