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Old 03-10-2008, 08:41 AM
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Future technology

It seems any discussion about what is possible in the future has to be updated pretty regular to keep the predictions ahead of actual working models. Where are we headed with digital technology? A few things that are on tap for the immediate future:
1. 21 FPS.......... not only possible, but already here {Pentax}.
2. 25mp F/F sensor....... Sony has working model and promises a camera to go with it this year. Canon has already come out with 21mp model.
3. 900,000 pixel lcd. Nikon has already introduced two models. Sony has promised a 1mp unit in the near future.
4. Full frame "in camera stabilization". Canon has said it is impossible. Sony has promised one in the near future.
5. 25,000 ISO......... already here, {Nikon}.
6. 16GB compact flash and sdhc memory cards, already here. Future?

What I have seen discussed, but not yet available on product............
1. Electronic viewfinders for DSLR'S of ultra high resolution and instant response, "allows for very compact camera size".
2. Liquid lenses. No moving parts, instant focus.
3. Olead lcd technology.
4. Hydrogen "something or other" battery technology. Battery capacity doubled several times over.
5. 32mp APS size sensors. Low noise. Maybe completely new technology?
6. Lens and "in camera" stabilization at least twice as effective as now. Would liquid lens technology affect this area?

I think digital photography technology is surpassing the computer industry in rate of new happenings. Or is it that because of computer technology, the photography technology is rumbling along at 100 MPH?

Intrested in hearing what others have to say.

  


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Old 03-10-2008, 12:10 PM
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Re: Future technology

How about a 3D camera sensor that can recreate any depth of field after the picture is taken?

Stanford camera chip can see in 3D | Underexposed - CNET News.com

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Old 03-10-2008, 02:20 PM
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More more more!

Y'know what I'd like? Less!

FEWER megapixels with LESS noise at ultra-high ISO yielding SMALLER files. A 2 or 3 megapixel sports camera, for example, with huge photosites that shoots at, say, ISO 64,000 for night/indoor sports with reasonable lenses (of course it would work even BETTER with expensive lenses). Given the power of electronics nowadays, it could be hyperfast, and just think how many ultra low noise 3 MP images could fit on a modern card... Maybe even have the camera wait for a bright pulse in the ambient lighting so 1/1000th under gym lights would work every time... Keep the dSLR layout, but make the shutter electronic, and maybe even capture 30 fps for making HD video clips.

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Yeah, bring back the D1H.

What I fear about that is that with the Bayer pattern mosaic, the huge photosites would be even more problematic with demosaicing, except that the aliasing might not be as bad with the larger pixels. I would think you'd have to go to the Foveon type sensor for best results.

A 2 or 3 MP with a 24 by 36 sensor? Now we're talking.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:54 AM
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Right now a 8gb card is all I'll ever need unless I get a job photographing some BIG venue. However, I do have a 14mp camera on order. I am going to spend an entire day photographing flowers , etc. at Callaway Gardens, if it gets here by the spring bloom. I might load a 8 gig card doing that dunno.

What if: a camera came out that would give you several choices of "in camera manipulation" ? Not shooting raw, I use Elements more than CS3 as it's quicker. In Elements if I choose color > curves , I get to choose from six different images it has modified differently. Not always spot on, but I can usually choose one that is close to what I am looking for and go from there. {assuming I didn't nail the image to begin with}. You wouldn't have to upload them all, just pick the one you want. Kinda like bracketing in a way, but more versitile.

Maybe what some of you guys are looking for is a compact medium format? Say 10 mp spread over that big sensor in a size camera like the D3? Would require special lens? Do I need to patent that idea?

My studio camera has a feature whereby exposure is controled by the wheel in the back. As I turn the wheel, the LCD image reflects the result. I can nail the effect I am looking for the first time. Do current DSLR"S with live view feature do this?

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What if: a camera came out that would give you several choices of "in camera manipulation" ? Not shooting raw, I use Elements more than CS3 as it's quicker. In Elements if I choose color > curves , I get to choose from six different images it has modified differently. Not always spot on, but I can usually choose one that is close to what I am looking for and go from there. {assuming I didn't nail the image to begin with}. You wouldn't have to upload them all, just pick the one you want. Kinda like bracketing in a way, but more versitile.

My studio camera has a feature whereby exposure is controled by the wheel in the back. As I turn the wheel, the LCD image reflects the result. I can nail the effect I am looking for the first time. Do current DSLR"S with live view feature do this?
The first exists..Canon's Picture Styles. Shoot RAW and pic a style for the conversion - emulates different film types, B&W with filters, etc. Many P&S models now identify faces (up to 9 I think) in the frame and can set exposure and other things for the best image. DOF, ambient light - all doable in the camera with enough horsepower.

I played a bit with the 40D and live view shooting macros, and I'd say yes it does what you say. Not sure what all it's doing, but it acts like it's stopped down the lens, but the DOF it shows is a dream image it makes up - cause the image it takes has a LOT more DOF than what it shows on the LCD.


As to future tech that is here now, I saw a thing on the history channel and they showed a AWACS plane (or similar type deal) that shoots a laser beam out it's nose. The laser has to be precisely focused and aligned at the target a few miles out. To do that the have a mirror on the place that they shoot the laser off of that adjusts to eliminate the distortions of the atmosphere the beam will pass thru. That's some amazing tech!

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1. Electronic viewfinders for DSLR'S of ultra high resolution and instant response, "allows for very compact camera size".
It's certainly becoming technically feasible at this juncture, however I'm not entirely confident that many DSLR buyers would be terribly interested in this. The main advantage that this sort of technology buys is that the mirror box can be removed from the equation. The problem is that the major lens mounts were designed with the mirror box in place, so you'd have to make a brand new lens system to take advantage of this. As Olympus has discovered with their 4/3rds system, competing against the massive and mature systems that Nikon and Canon have is a difficult proposition when starting from scratch.

With that said, the use of such technology for a rangefinder type camera would potentially be promising. The question is what kind of market there is for something like this in this day and age

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2. Liquid lenses. No moving parts, instant focus.
Most of the research in this area is generally focused on lower end parts like lenses for cell phone cameras. Manufacturing a high-quality large diameter lens like this is very difficult at this point, so it's much easier for manufacturers to focus on making small scale designs first and then push that upmarket when the technology evolves. Further, the demand for miniaturizing lens assemblies is a major driver for the compact camera market.

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3. Olead lcd technology.
OLED displays are starting to enter the market right now, but as with many new technologies they are very expensive at this juncture. As this technology is expected to move into the consumer electronics sphere in the near future, there is a lot of R&D work being done on it and those prices will come down quite rapidly. On-camera displays will likely become feasible pretty quickly, as their small size makes them a lot easier to manufacture than the large panels that will be required for computer monitors and televisions (and it's a good way for vendors to work out the kinks in their production lines).

As for advantages, OLED displays have much lower black levels than LCDs, brighter and more saturated colours and should consume less energy. Further, as they don't need a backlight they are much thinner so they'll allow camera vendors more flexibility in their camera designs.

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4. Hydrogen "something or other" battery technology. Battery capacity doubled several times over.
Assuming you are talking about hydrogen fuel cells, they work a little differently than batteries that we are used to using. They can provide significantly more energy density for a given size/weight, however they burn fuel rather than simply charging/discharging so the usage model is a little different. Aside from the inconvenience factor, there is also the question of whether the fuel used for these devices would be permitted on airlines so they could make travel more difficult.

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5. 32mp APS size sensors. Low noise. Maybe completely new technology?
This is more of an evolutionary aspect than anything else - technology will progress and this will eventually be possible, however we're still a bit away from this point now. With that said, I'm not entirely convinced that there are a lot of people that actually need that much resolution in any practical sense. At 35MP, reproduction technology will have to make some big strides forward to be able to take full advantage of all of the information contained in those images. There will always be tradeoffs to packing more pixels into a given area, and once we reach a certain threshold the vendors will likely refocus their energy on those other aspects (eg dynamic range) that may be more significant for the majority of their customer base.

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6. Lens and "in camera" stabilization at least twice as effective as now. Would liquid lens technology affect this area?
Potentially, however it will depend on the evolution of the technology over the coming years. Improvements in stabilization technology as a whole will likely depend primarily on new technologies becoming available rather than incremental adjustments (as optical image stabilization is pretty mature at this point).

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I think digital photography technology is surpassing the computer industry in rate of new happenings. Or is it that because of computer technology, the photography technology is rumbling along at 100 MPH?
Computers have reached a point where they are a mature technology, and most improvements are evolutionary in nature. Digital photography, on the other hand, is still a relatively young market and there is a lot of room for revolutionary changes. With that said, things are beginning to mature, and things will likely begin to slow down over the next few years.
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