White Balance: Whibal

[PB&J photography]

Doug: I'm getting ready to read the review of my tests. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

I don't have the capabilites to test as you do. Only judge is my eyes. Which, to the artist at the end of the day is all that matters. As you semi-state referring to wanting a special effect or however you worded that.

Yes, those two in the table top scene are the targets. Photovision 6" targets to be exact. Was placed there for the reason as you have done. To test the images, knowing what those colors are supposed to be.

I'll agree the Mennon does a good job. And for less than $6, you can't beat it. At first, this was all I used. Until I came across the ColorRight. Now, that's all I use. I personally like the results of it better. Under normal lighting the Mennon (to me) appears to cool.

[Doug_Kerr]

Hi, Rick,

Originally Posted by kixpixphotography

Doug: I'm getting ready to read the review of my tests. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

I don't have the capabilites to test as you do. Only judge is my eyes. Which, to the artist at the end of the day is all that matters. As you semi-state referring to wanting a special effect or however you worded that.

"Artistic effect"!

At first, this was all I used. Until I came across the ColorRight. Now, that's all I use. I personally like the results of it better. Under normal lighting the Mennon (to me) appears to cool.

Yes, and I'm sure you know that Drew can supply an attachment for the ColorRight diffuser that will hold gel filters to shift the color cast to your liking (comes with a few gel circles to give a range of "warmer" and "cooler" shifts). I think it comes with the "Pro" version of the ColorRight diffuser, but perhaps it can be purchased separately as an add-on. It screws in behind the diffuser proper.

(In mine there was just barely enough filter thread left on the back of the diffuser for this to work, and I had to run the glass retaining ring on the attachment down tighter than it was initially to make room to accept the male threads on the back of the diffuser, but these were all ''early production" units, and I suspect these things have now been taken care of.)

Best regards,

Doug

[Doug_Kerr]

Hi, Drew,

So does this mean that, with regard to preference for measurement methods, mine is longer than yours?

Best regards,

Doug

[PB&J photography]

Yes, I have the gels. Have never tried them with the original, but did with the updated version.

Personally, I didn't care for them...just a bit to use.

I don't think I'll ever have a scene I want to cool so that wasn't much of an option or selling point for me, but I do enjoy warming my images.

To make my life simpler, I'll purchase the wedding/ portrait ColorRight.

I wonder if they're marked to be able to distinguish between the neutral and the wed/ port?

It was able for purchase seperately, but has since been done away with now that the updated wed/portrait version is on the market.

It's a very nice thing, I must say. Beats the heck out of gelling your lights/ flash.

Not saying that still isn't needed for certain effects and purposes, but for this one (warming images) gelling your flash can be eliminated. Thanks to the genius minds over at Color Right.

[PB&J photography]

Originally Posted by KevinStecyk

I read kixpixphotography's review, though I must admit I didn't understand it. All I want to know is, which method is best.

Doug, can you throw a link to your article. I haven't paid much attention to the various discussions on Color Parrot or ColorRight.

Thank you. : )

I have a problem with not making sense much.

I don't recommend any product. That's the point of my testing is to show in an unbiased manner the results obtained with using a couple of different tools.

In my opinion I cannot tell you which to use due to personal favorable results of the products as well as the preference of design. One may prefer a certain feature or design of one product over another.

I do appreciate the feedback. Is there anything else that didn't make sense? Or just the fact that I don't suggest one particular product?

[drew]

So does this mean that, with regard to preference for measurement methods, mine is longer than yours?

Since I use both methods. I think it means that sometimes mine is long and sometimes it is short.

There are some advantages to the short method. When on the run, for instance. The longer method tends to get in the way when on the move.

Ok. That's it for me. Can't take this any further. Melissa would not be happy.

[KevinStecyk]

Originally Posted by kixpixphotography

I have a problem with not making sense much.

I don't recommend any product. That's the point of my testing is to show in an unbiased manner the results obtained with using a couple of different tools.

In my opinion I cannot tell you which to use due to personal favorable results of the products as well as the preference of design. One may prefer a certain feature or design of one product over another.

I do appreciate the feedback. Is there anything else that didn't make sense? Or just the fact that I don't suggest one particular product?

Before addressing the white balance issue, you need to fix your link in your signature. Careful of the word "balance" versus "blance". When I click on your link, I don't end up at the proper location.

Moving along to the white balance, when I am looking at comparisons, I like to see how much something differs from the "true" value.

So, had I created a comparison, I would have shown the photograph under proper balanced lighting. Perhaps show a histogram of the Photovision target along with Photoshop Info palette showing us the color on the gray.

Then, deliberately throw other lighting into the mix and using the various tools to compensate. With each tool, show us the same histogram and Photoshop info palette.

Now I can see how close the various methods come to addressing the mixed or different lighting.

Perhaps Doug has some other methods. Again, I haven't followed this stuff that closely. But I like removing human subjective elements and presenting cold hard facts.

In other words, I'd like to be able to scroll down through your photos and see quantitative measure as to how well each method/system performed under different lighting conditions.