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Old 01-09-2008, 04:52 PM
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Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

I have found that recovering shadow data in 40D images is now more doable and yields more usable results than with prior 1.6x bodies (I moved up from 20D).

It makes sense, I suppose... There's more accuracy in the raw data, so pushing the curves aggressively to bring out shadow data is less likely to show quantization artifacts (e.g., posterization or "blocking up"). Additionally, my 40D at least exhibits far less pattern (banding) noise in deep deep shadows than did my 20D. This makes both more shadow recovery possible and higher ISOs more useful.

Here is an example. I've included both the embedded JPEG as generated in-camera and extracted from the raw file without any exposure corrections, and the processed raw file with shadows aggressively recovered. As you can see, shadow detail is holding up nicely.




Of course, aggressively lightening shadows will bring out grainy noise as well and so there's no free lunch, but being able to recover shadow detail well is one small point against working too awfully hard to "expose to the right".

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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

It really appears that the 14 bit ADs help. Did you read the article from Clarkvision on the Canon sensors and the AD comments? (In the 1D forum) Seems like what I have been preaching is starting to come about. Now if we can get Canon to implement 16 bit high speed ADs we will really see some improvements in the shadows. The 1DSIII is allready over the limitations of the 14 bit ADs and really requires the 16 Bit.
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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

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Here is an example. I've included both the embedded JPEG as generated in-camera and extracted from the raw file without any exposure corrections, and the processed raw file with shadows aggressively recovered. As you can see, shadow detail is holding up nicely.Of course, aggressively lightening shadows will bring out grainy noise as well and so there's no free lunch, but being able to recover shadow detail well is one small point against working too awfully hard to "expose to the right".
So does that mean you are now an advocate of shooting raw?
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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?



I'm an advocate of using the mode that most suits your needs. Personally I've been experimenting with Raw shooting with the 40D, as I do with all new bodies, just to see how things work out. To some extent the extra shadow data appears in the JPEGs as well, and it makes them all the more processable.

One thing I like about the 40D is that the embedded JPEG in the Raw file is now larger than ever at 1936 x 1288, almost 3 megapixels. I find that bringing up the embedded JPEG to see how the Digic rendered the image helps me with rendering the Raw image all the better.

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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

We will convert you to RAW yet Noel. LOL
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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

Uh oh, it's... getting... hard... to... select... JPEG large/fine... Must... overcome... rabid... fanaticism... setting... in...

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Re: Shadow Recovery and 14 Bit AD... Expose a little to the Left?

Thinking about your thread, Have you tried turning on the Highlight recovery option?
It seems to work well for me.
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