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Old 05-08-2009, 08:01 PM
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Re: focus calibration

Hi, Michael,

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thats basically a tape measure..any contrasty linear subject will do that has some set of reference numbers.
Many experts tell us that using a "tape measure" as a focus test target is problematical in that we cannot be certain that the AF system actual uses the desired "zero mark" as the basis for AF. (Even if we "white out" all the ruler lines for some distance in front of and behind the "zero line", the AF system may not respond properly to an "oblique" zero mark.)

Canon, for example, encourages the use of a test target using the principle employed by the LensAlign tool.

In any case, such a test, with whatever kind of target, can only give us an indication of the AF error for one lens at a given focal length. It in no way does anything for the real issue posed at the head of this thread.

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Old 05-09-2009, 03:52 AM
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Re: focus calibration

didnt think of that thanks.

i did the test with a tape, but at close magnification, 2-3ft from the camera, always putting an AF point right on a big number.

i put the lens on AF, focused on a spot. locked the tripod and turned AF off. thats how i did all my tests. wrote down where it was sharp through the viewfinder and compared them to the file. for the most part they were right on. i contribute some to user error. the WA lenses were really hard to do, usually the wide end of the zooms were off but the mid and tele sides were right on.

i have to say the article on AF adjustment could really sell alot of AF adj gear.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:09 AM
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Re: focus calibration

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That's very interesting, Chuck, thanks for sharing this info. It's a question I have mildly wondered about from time to time but never seen asked.

Keep in mind this is a hypothetical discussion for me personally, as I have not yet gotten a body that offers the feature. I don't know how the capability is implemented now; perhaps I'm missing something.

To me it seems that not embracing zooms is a significant missing feature in the self-adjustment process.

It would be great if a person could make an across the board adjustment that's added at every focal length, and then be able to set the microadjustment for, say, several focal lengths for the lens and have the camera do interpolation between them. It would be a two-phase process, but complex or no I'll bet people really interested in getting their focus right would rather do it than send away their hardware.

Just the first "overall offset" capability would likely reduce calibration returns markedly in that it could be used to at least center the focus around the variances within the lens.

Wouldn't this also account for variances in the body itself? In other words, one could imagine someone setting a +10 (whatever) setting for every lens. Again, a return of a body for focus calibration is avoided.

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Hi, Noel:

I would be the first to agree with you that the existing AF Microadjustment functionality on EOS SLRs is limited, but it is what it is, a first generation design. It will be interesting to see how the feature improves over time, but it's bound to get better. In the meantime, Canon Factory Service is the best option for thorough calibration of zoom lenses when necessary.
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In any case, such a test, with whatever kind of target, can only give us an indication of the AF error for one lens at a given focal length.
Right, although the instructions for LensAlign suggests using the zoom at max focal lenght, widest opening. If the lens at that setting is indeed back or front focussing and the micro adjustments fix this, wouldn’t this be a benefit?
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Re: focus calibration

If the factory service truely has the capability to correct the microfocus over the range of any lens, it seems to me that there is no excuse for Canon manufacturing not to improve their final adjustment procedures and QC so that the lenses are correct upon delivery. I have worked for several manufacturers with managers who state "ship it, let field service fix it". That works for the billing but sure leaves a bad taste for the service department.
The Hubble comes to mind.
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Old 05-13-2009, 01:15 AM
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Re: focus calibration

On aligning the lenses, yes a zoom lens is just as easy to do as a prime. The trouble is you can only adjust for one specific focal length. As Chuck has said the recommended way is to do it at the long end of the lens.

When lenses come from the factory they are typically aligned at only a couple of focal lengths. The Canon 24-70L originally was coming from the factory calibrated at 70mm but as time went on they now align it both at 70 and at 24. That leaves the rest untouched.

The theory is the alignment/calibration is done and built into the manufacturing process at the factory. The 24-70L lens has eight alignment points so taking the time to align that lens through all eight points and then making sure you haven't "undone" one of the other points as you move along can make for some interesting thoughts and would take a lot of time to do them all correctly. As Chuck said it will definitely be VERY interesting to see this feature develop as time goes on. As Canon looks for more bells and whistles to put into it's new cameras coming out - like the 1D(s) Mark VI this is one area where they can develop and it would be very appreciated by the photographers.

The thing about aligning a lens yourself is your ability to actually align the CAMERA to the "RULER. The gismo called the Lensalien deals with this by making you see a target through a hole and moving your camera around until you can see the target. When you finally can see the target it means the camera is in the right spot in terms of up and down and left and right. Think of it like being on one of those gun batteries on a war ship. The gun can move left and right and also up and down. To hit the target you have to be in the right spot on both axis'.

You can simulate this yourself without spending the money though. As I explained in the article - you level the camera and then raise and lower the tripod until your center focus point is over the big fat 0 on your target (in my case - the very large garden thermometer).

You can spend a hundred bucks to get this right, or take the time to level your camera and then lock in to your target using the tripod's controls. You will need to do this same thing with a purchased product anyway. I'll leave that call up to you When you put your focus point over the 0 and your camera is level - you've done it correctly.

Back to zooms. If you calibrate for 70mm on a 24-70, or if you calibrate for 200 on a 70-200 and so on, this does NOT mean that the OTHER end is automatically goin be right. In fact, if you calibrate at 70mm and then conduct the test at 24mm and it is NOT in focus - your lens needs to go in to the service center for calibration as one end or the other is OUT of alignment and this is something you cannot control or fix yourself. It is an excellent way of testing your lenses to see if they really DO need to go in for service.

I just calibrated a 17-40L on a 1Ds Mark III camera. It was off by +14. On the wide side though it is harder to tell just because of the nature of the lens. I am getting MUCH sharper results now with it so the calibration was a success. My point is, it is worth taking the time and calibrating ALL your lenses. Take some time and set it aside and your rewards for doing it will be pretty good - plus it allows you to test your zooms to see for yourself if they are truly correct or not - no guess work involved.

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"The theory is the alignment/calibration is done and built into the manufacturing process at the factory. The 24-70L lens has eight alignment points so taking the time to align that lens through all eight points and then making sure you haven't "undone" one of the other points as you move along can make for some interesting thoughts and would take a lot of time to do them all correctly."

Thats an excuse. Someone has to do them correctly at some point!

Thats why we pay ~$2000.00 for "L" lenses! None of us has the equipment or the desire to align the internals of a lens and we must depend upon the manufacturer to care enough to make sure it IS done correctly. I don't even wish to have to even mess with any adjustments. I'll trust the service department to do it correctly if manufacturing has screwed up. Its a PITA to have to send the lenses to be serviced. So far I haven't had any complaints about the service department, I just wish it wasen't necessary.
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