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Old 12-04-2008, 01:22 PM
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Re: Canon 5D MKII Video Mode a Disaster

In case anyone is interested and has not seen Vincent Laforet's review/blog on the camera, particularly as used for video, here is the link. Something Very Interesting is coming…both to this blog and to our industry Vincent Laforet’s Blog

It's a bit older but I just came across it a few minutes ago while searching for real-world reviews.

Certainly a different perspective.

  


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Old 12-04-2008, 01:59 PM
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Re: Canon 5D MKII Video Mode a Disaster

Since there seems to be quite a bit of interest in the high ISO capability of the camera, I've done some shots of the bookcase in my office (please no comments on the choice of reading matter). I use this as a test subject because the lighting is mixed and difficult, there are lots of shadows which exacerbate the visibility of any noise, and the wood tone in my experience really looks terrible once there is a lot of noise. (I returned my G10 because it was just too bad!)

The shots were taken on a tripod using my 85mm 1.2 L lens at 2.8 using one shot focus on the spine of the book dead center. (As a side note, one feature on the 1D Mk III series, and recently added to the 50D and present here on the 5D Mk II that is often overlooked is the microfocus adjustment. I shoot indoor sports and am often wide open or close to it. The ability to get the focus spot on for each lens is a real plus. I did it on the 85mm before taking the shots, and it took 9 units forward, which translates into about 1/2" at 5 feet which is worth doing if you care about focusing on exactly what you want to.)

I shot jpeg because Aperture doesn't yet support raw, sorry.

Camera settings were, Standard for the image, High ISO noise reduction was turned OFF completely. Other than adding the logo and exporting from Aperture as quality 12 full size jpegs, I've done nothing to them.
Make your own judgement, but it looks to me as though everything up to 12800 is pretty good. 25600 looks like it has been "pushed", but would serve in a pinch, and would probably benefit from the ministrations of "Noise Ninja".

You can download the files here.

Index of /5D_Mk_II_ISO_Examples

The shots are for the personal use of the readers of this forum, and are not to be republished in any way. I retain full rights to them.

I have to get ready for an overseas assignment, so won't be doing any more in the way of reviews of the camera, but will post some reflections when I return having used it as my second camera to my 1Ds Mk III.

Hope the shots help everyone.

David.

P.S. When I was a Nikon shooter fighting poor high ISO performance, I heard a suggestion that noise was worse at non integral ISO settings (ie not the full stop 100/200/400 series) and my empirical experience from trying it was that there was truth in it. Since then, I have always selected the custom option for full stop, not 1/3 stop, ISO adjustment. I haven't done any testing on the Canons, but it makes some logical sense to me that non integral steps are more difficult to compute. Shutter and aperture still go by thirds, so I don't see any downside to sticking to full stops on the ISO.

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Re: Canon 5D MKII Video Mode a Disaster

I agree with others, the SPAM this site sends is getting out of control. To top it off, the little "if you want to be removed from the mailing list, please reply with "unsubscribe" in the message tile blah blah". Too bad IT DOESN'T WORK.

I stopped coming to this site because of the lack of good content and obvious articles written to simply drive traffic to it's site.

The comments others have made about the video review on the 5D2 are right on. People buying this merely for the video features should down right be disappointed, its a DSLR for crying out loud! You get amazing HD quality video for $2699. Any pro wanting to use this to create great HD videos will have found ways to make it work for them. This isn't mom's home video camera, so get off it already.

Last time I checked it's a mix between a 1Ds3 and 50D with an extremely cheap price tag if you ask me. One great DSLR.

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Yeah, I'm sick of seeing this AD too. Enough already!
If I haven't bought it by now, I'm not going to!

As far as the camera is concerned, how's this for a thought?
When was the last time you could strap a 600mm /ƒ2.8 lens on an HD camera?

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Re: Canon 5D MKII Video Mode a Disaster

David, thanks for posting your samples.

Agreed, shadow areas are the biggest high ISO headache. Trying to get decent noise of faces in the shadow of helmets, etc. for hockey, night football is the most brutal. Your wood bookcase is really close to what I'd expect skin will react like. Mom wants to see the face clearly or they don't buy.

After looking at your tests briefly, I'm seeing 6400 as usable for my purposes. Any higher is getting rough in the shadow areas.

I'd love to see a side by side like that with other cameras. Too often, the samples I see on reviews are useless for my purposes. I guess I'm picky, but there are a lot of shooters that fit in the same category.

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Re: Canon 5D MKII Video Mode a Disaster

I thought the idea of a paid subscription was that there would be no spam and other advertisements.

Also, after reading the 5DMkII review I was ready to write a strong rebuttal but others have done that for me. I particularly enjoyed David Barry’s take …it was informative and helpful. Doug’s link to the Laforet’s Blog was also very informative. I’m jazzed, I want one, I can think of a lot of uses for the video this camera is capable of producing!

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Old 12-04-2008, 03:58 PM
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You do not seem to understand the implications for the real use of this outside of still photography and how video cameras are used in pro situations. Internal mics are just used for slate, if used at all, and external radio mics are cheap and work perfectly. It is clearly not a camcorder and unless you are shooting hand held deliberately you nearly always have a video camera on a tripod...
Oh, I understand all too well. I was a pro videographer for a number of years. We always shot with tripods and expensive uhf wireless mics, etc. We edited on Avid, etc. Speaking of mics, no XLR inputs? No 24p? No current codec support for Adobe Premiere Pro or Vegas Video for pc users.

Anyway, I could go on and on about the compromises required from a pro video perspective. And, yes, Canon is onto something here. But, it is not there yet. This all has a flavor of something thrown in simply because they could. Well now they know the interest is there. I expect the next iteration of the video mode to be a marked improvement. Consider this review my unbiased suggestion list of just some of what needs to be changed.

However, yes, this a "game changer" for pro videographers. I think that point has already been made abundantly clear by many, many other folks. I linked straight to the main one and gave it it's due.

The point here is to review the video mode for the regular purchaser of the cam. They will most likely be disappointed in the video mode. I didn't bother to mention how "fiddly" the whole operation is compared to a proper pro camcorder with zoom controls, a shoulder mount, etc., etc.

They will, however, love the still capabilities of the camera. Top notch for the dollar. A much better buy than the 1DS MKIII, and the screen colors aren't obnoxious. I have many other praiseworthy things to say in a later look at image quality. As I said, I pre-ordered and do not intend to cancel.

I think a number of responders need to take a step back and realize this is not an attack on their purchase decision, just my own objective reading of the situation for the normal prospective purchaser of the camera.

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