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1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:48 AM
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1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions

Currently I'm using a card that rated here at Rob Galbraith DPI: Canon EOS-1D Mark III

at about 5 MB/sec.

A 16 gb Sandisk Extreme III is rated at about 9.75MB/sec

And Sandisk Ducati 8 gb (largest for Ducati) is at 10.9 MB/sec.

I do have a serious issue where the buffer fills up after a short burst and I have to wait...and typically watch the best moments pass by. If I went from my current 5mb/sec to 9.75mb/sec...will that give me a much longer burst range? Like double the number of continuous frames then stop? How about 10.9 MB/sec?

How fast does a card have to be in order to stay ahead of the camera's buffer if this is possible at all?

Oh...I am shooting writing RAW to both CF and SDHC Transcend 16 GB (full redundant backup) media and need to record on the same setting with the faster cards.

BTW...Since the Ducati doesn't comes only in 8GB at the largest...that is why I'm asking about the Extreme III.

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Re: 1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:41 PM
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Re: 1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions

Hi, Paul:

The camera's buffer memory is used before the image data is written to a memory card, so the card's speed is not the big issue here. At best with the 1D Mark III, your burst rate is going to be approximately 33 to 36 RAW images or 110 consecutive Large JPEGs at 10 fps, even with the fastest memory cards available.

The number of shots will vary according to other settings, for example you'll get fewer frames if you are shooting RAW + JPEG, etc., but one of the biggest buffer "killers" is setting the custom function for in-camera high ISO speed noise reduction. If you want to maximize the 1D Mark III's burst rate, shut that one off and do your noise reduction in post-processing.
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:11 PM
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Re: 1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions

Hi Chuck,
Great tip. But I noticed that my N.R. CF off already Hmmm....Canon tech support advises only to use 133x card due to error prone faster cards...also that a 16 gig card must be read entirely first to find avail. blocks, hence use the smaller cards. Am I wrong to believe technology is simply not here yet to not have a camera hang after depleting the buffer, since no card can write fast and reliable enough to prevent the buffer from filling? FYI...I get nowhere near the 33 consecutive RAWs (writing CF RAW and backup RAW on the SDHD). Again, my cards are rated at 5 MB/sec, but even at the top 14 MB/sec...the card will not be able to empty the buffer fast enough...no?
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:53 AM
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Re: 1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions

>>Hmmm....Canon tech support advises only to use 133x card due to error prone faster cards...also that a 16 gig card must be read entirely first to find avail. blocks, hence use the smaller cards. Am I wrong to believe technology is simply not here yet to not have a camera hang after depleting the buffer, since no card can write fast and reliable enough to prevent the buffer from filling?<<

Hi, Paul:

You may have misinterpreted part of what Canon's customer support was saying about the choice of memory cards for the 1D Mark III. The camera does not support UDMA, which means that there's a limit on the data transfer speed when writing to the card. Because of that, if the camera's card writing speed is the only consideration, ultra-high-speed memory cards won't make much of a difference if any in terms of camera performance.

FWIW, I have not been hearing any complaints about data errors with the 1D Mark III, either through my own professional photographer contacts or through CPS. If this were a chronic problem, it would have been widely reported by now. Also, the 1D Mark III is clearly compatible with a wide range of memory cards with speed ratings exceeding 133X, as shown in Rob Galbraith's online database for CF and SD card performance.

Rob Galbraith DPI: Canon EOS-1D Mark III

As you noted, this table shows that the 1D Mark III's card writing speed is limited to approximately 10MB per second with CF and 14MB per second with SD. That's nowhere near the transfer speed capability of the high-speed cards themselves, as shown by their performance when connected to a personal computer with a high-speed card reader. In some cases, you could be looking at transfer speeds of 30MB per second or more, so in this context, the camera is clearly the limiting factor.

On the other hand, a slow memory card like the 5MB per second example you mentioned could very well reduce the 1D Mark III's burst rate below its maximum potential. Coming back to your original question, there is no doubt that using a higher speed card could maximize the number of shots per burst. But it should be clear that the best you're going to get under any circumstances with the 1D Mark III is approximately 33 to 36 RAW images per burst at 10 fps. In other words, once the card speed exceeds a certain point, the camera becomes the limiting factor as I previously mentioned. And conversely, once the card speed falls below a certain point, it becomes the limiting factor instead.
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Re: 1D Mark III CF/SDHC speed questions

Chuck...The tech was quite clear (must be his personal opinion) and I was surprised and suspicious by his advice to avoid the high speed cards for the same reasons you described...they simply wouldn't be manufacturing the products if it were prone to failure.

And thanks for confirming that the speed of the cards will help, but not resolve the bottleneck that must remain, be it with the camera or the flash technology.

These days...I get mixed opinions and rather than spend hundreds of dollars for experimentation...nice to get the facts to weigh the cost/benetit. i'll just continue to do shorter bursts and allow the buffer to empty.

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