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Old 12-06-2007, 09:03 AM
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Re: Lets have a discussion of camera shake

I agree that a tripod is the ultimate answer for camera shake, but we can't always have one along. (long hikes) I guess what I'm trying to determine is if the sensor response time as opposed to film could be some of the cause. I'm thinking that the chemical response was a lot slower which would mask some of the shake. I have been tending to shoot at shutter speeds of 6000 when hiking in the mountains. I'm usually breathing very hard at that point at 10 to 12 thousand feet elevation,

  

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Old 12-06-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: Lets have a discussion of camera shake

I just had an assignment this weekend where I was hand-holding at 1/4 and 1/8 second, at ISO 1600, using my 15mm fish and my 24-70, and got some decent, usable photos. The entire chapel was lit only with candles. Are the images *perfectly sharp*? Of course not -- there is some camera blur and some subject motion in most or all of them. But, sometimes the content of the photo trumps technical perfection.

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Re: Lets have a discussion of camera shake

I think it's also important here to realize that we've changed measuring sticks here.

With film with made an 8x10 or so print, and looked at it. Now I'm betting most of us are taking the photo to around 100% magnificacen and checking if it's sharp in Photoshop. At 100% even small flaws will show up, flaws we will never notice in normal size prints.

Personally, I still go with the old trusted 1/focal length formula for a starting point (or the on a crop body for the 35mm equivalent version). It still works quite well for me.
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my 1st photo instructors pounded the importance of a tripod no matter what, no excuses.....jezzz that was in 1965.......
I was taught that if the subject is not moving then neither should the camera, so use a tripod. If the subject is moving, then the camera can move.
But times change. Used to be i'd take the photo from the camera and put in a chemcial. Turns out that's real hard on compactflash cards

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Old 12-06-2007, 05:18 PM
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I agree that a tripod is the ultimate answer for camera shake, but we can't always have one along. (long hikes)
Hi Paul,

That was my position too, until my last visit to Hong Kong a couple of years ago now. I came back with one of the less-favored lightweight Gitzo tripods, and mated with a Markins Q-ball, it weighs just 1.6kg (3.5Lb) total. I just strap it onto my pack someplace and go for it. I always come back with images I just wouldn't get handheld...

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Re: Lets have a discussion of camera shake

Well, I'll be a bit of dissenting voice here. I *hate* carrying tripods around. Thus I have become exclusively a hand-held shooter. And yes, I still get a lot of tack-sharp images. Even at shutter times of MUCH longer than 1/FL.

Many of my lenses have IS and I have learned techniques for successful handheld shooting. Years of experience in shooting handguns helps here. Same things apply; I often hit bullseyes at distances others have trouble hitting the target at all.

Pull your elbows in to your body. Take a relatively deep breath. Let it out and try to achieve a state of momentary calm. Roll your finger onto the shutter button, almost to the point where you can't quite tell exactly when the camera is going to shoot. If you end up taking two or three frames because the camera repeat rate is fast, chances are very good one will be sharp. If shooting multiples bothers you, set the camera for single shot mode.

When you get good at the above you can learn to time your shots to be between your heart beats. I do it all the time.

And don't be afraid or embarrassed to brace your arms or hands on something solid - e.g. a railing or branch - if it's available.

Actively think about keeping steady while shooting; do it for a week, and it will become habit. Then you can bank on getting sharp images handheld. You'll be surprised at how sharp.

Handheld shooting rules!

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P.S., Here's one of quite a number of sharp handheld wildlife shots I captured last weekend. I was standing and braced on nothing for this shot, which is 1/100 sec at 400mm (Canon 100-400 IS zoom): http://forum.ourdarkskies.com/galler..._16_635563.jpg
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my 1st photo instructors pounded the importance of a tripod no matter what, no excuses.....jezzz that was in 1965.......
While there is not too much that can beat a tripod, when doing travel photography you can't always get that luxury. I love my carbon fiber monopod as I can move around more quickly with that, but even so some of the best shots I have taken have been candid hand held moments. That said, I do like to carry an old sock full of beans. It makes a great impromptu tripod when you can find a vertical or horizontal surface to use.

Now, if I were a landscape photographer it would be a different story...

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