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Breaking in
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:26 PM
JasonBischoff JasonBischoff is offline
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Breaking in

Like so many others, I'm am trying to break in to the photography market. My passion has been in wildlife which got me hooked. I'm looking now to sell some of my images and want to know how to get started.

Where should I be selling my images?

Also, I've started doing weddings and family portraits. I'm struggling to figure out how much to change, and what to include in the price.
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Re: Breaking in
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Old 06-07-2006, 03:15 AM
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Jason,

It looks like no one wants to take a shot at answering your questions so I'll see what I can do. Your questions are extremely vague but that is to be expected for someone just starting out. I think the first thing you should do is to decide what you are. There are essentially two kinds of people in the photography business. One is the photographer who wants someone to buy their photos so they can make enough money to support their passion. The other person is the business person who sells photos and photo related products but is not caught up in the passion of taking the photo. They are far more concerened with the building of a business. If one were to ask me what I am, it's the latter. While I can take photos with the best of them, I consider myself an entrepeneur that sells photos and photo products. In a successful photo business there has to be someone who handles the business side of things. If it's not you, then who will it be?

The second question you have to answer is what kind of photography business do you want to have? You said your passion was wildlife photography yet you say that you are doing weddings and portraits. Each of these disciplines can be a standalone business. Which do you want to do? I would recommend that you focus on your passion as that is where you will willingly devote your best efforts.

I have often been told that I should focus on doing the things I love to do and not worry about money. If I do the things I am passionate about, the money will follow. Conversely, if you do things just because of the money that can be made you'll find that you won't be happy in your work and your customers will notice. In my case, my passion is auto racing. Road racing to be exact. My business, Head-On Photos, does nothing but photography of cars in a road race venue. This is what I do for a living and I've been doing it for seven years.

How do you get started? The best way that I can think of is to find out what others are doing. For example, if you wish to do wildlife then do some research and find out who else is doing it. Doing this will give you a baseline for your efforts. Is there someone local to you that you can talk with? Don't be afraid to call another photographer and ask questions. Some will answer you and some won't but you'll never get an answer if you don't ask.

I'll continue on this in the morning.
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Old 06-08-2006, 04:15 PM
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Good Morning.

Let's continue on with the getting started question. As I said, you should be researching what other established wildlife or wedding or portrait photographers are doing. I know nothing significant about any of these disciplines but if I wanted to open a wildlife photography business the first thing I'd do is grab my Yellow Pages and see how many, if any, photographers are listed that cover this subject matter. I did just that and quickly scanned the photographer pages and while there are hundreds of portrait and wedding photographers there are no (zero) wildlife photographers listed. I live in an area that has more than a million residents so it gives me a clue as to how much competition I will encounter when I start. If I wanted to be a wedding photographer I know that I will have a LOT of competition and becoming a success in this specialty will be tough. In an area with a lot of competition I might think about becoming a photo assistant for a while so I can learn what works and what doesn't in this particular business before I take the leap. There are many reasons why doing this would be a plus for you.

If I wanted to do wildlife, I may not have any local competition at all here in northern California but it could be different for you. This could be a good sign or maybe it's a sign that I won't have a lot of customers or it could mean that I have to look beyond my local community to find not only customers but competition.

The next step for me is to see if there are any photographers in a similar or related profession. I drew a blank so my next step is to start researching the web.

As I expected, the web produces a goldmine of information. Doing a simple Google search of “wildlife photographer” returns 5.5 million pages. That’s a bit more than I want to look through so I decided to narrow the search by looking for “wildlife photographer san jose” just to see what is available around me. Doing that brought the list down to 500,000. Try doing a Google search for “wildlife photographer edmonton” to see what you get. The web is a great place for research.

One of the things I’m going to be looking for is other photographer sites in the same business that I want to go into. On those sites I want to see if they list prices for their products and what sizes they are selling. Are they selling just prints or are they including digital images? This gives me some idea of what I can charge for my work and what kinds of products are popular. I am also looking at other parts of their sites to see if I can get a clue as to where and how I can sell my photos.

Two things you mentioned were “Where do I sell my images?” and “How much should I charge?” While my normal sarcastic answers would be “Wherever you can” and “As much as you can” a web search will help you figure this out. Ironically, you have to be ready to recognize opportunities when the present themselves. For example, on the Wildlife segment of Pro Photo Community I just happened to see a short thread about people trying to sell their photos. It turns out that Post Cards may be a avenue to look at and you might be able to put something up in various zoos. As I was walking out of my local electronics superstore yesterday I happened to notice that were selling playing cards from National Geographic and someone had to supply the photos of wildlife that were on the cards. If you keep your eyes and ears open you will find all kinds of opportunities!

Now, the first instinct for people entering business is to find out what their competition is charging and then set their prices lower. The idea being that setting your prices lower will draw people away from your competitors to you. Do you really want customers that will leave you simply for a smidgen lower price? Find out what the highest price others charge and then come in a small ($1) below that or charge a higher price. You can always come down, if you need too, but it’s really hard to raise your prices. You must be different from your competitors but price is NOT the way to do it. Be different by a focus or a product line or specialize in a particular subject matter. A specialist will always be allowed to charge more than a generalist.

I hope this helps.
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Old 06-09-2006, 10:51 AM
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WOW! Thank you so much for such a detailed response. You have given me a ton to think about, and to research and follow up. I've heard that there is a Provincial Professional Photographers Association in Alberta and they offer a mentorship program for student or emerging photographers. I think I will now look into this in earnest.

Again, thanks for your response. I'll let you know how things work out, and what I did that worked, or didn't.

Jason
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