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Old 06-10-2009, 10:18 PM
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Re: Digital/Medium Format

Sorry, been really busy to get a chance to reply. June is Christmas around here.

You asked about how long it would take to get a properly exposed image ready for the lab. If you've done the job correctly behind the camera, you can easily treat the file identically as you would have film. Send it in and if you have a great lab, they'll do the rest. The advantage is no more courier costs to the lab, just email or ftp it. If the image is good, I might spend 3 minutes fussing with it. With my normal production stuff, I spend 10 seconds per image at the most.

The other replies are correct though and what I was alluding to is that photographers spend hours fiddling with images for the same reason crazy people climb Mt. Everest - because it's there. In the old film days, the lab did miracles taking badly exposed images and making them salable, now photographers have taken over that role. Switching faces, straightening clothing is pretty normal, partly because we can do it, partly because our customers have come to expect it.

Many of my customers own cracked versions of Photoshop and make a point of telling me how great they are at it. It certainly keeps me on my toes. I recently had a 4th year Graphic Arts grad in for a Grad portrait (he came to me after hating the one from my competitor) I spend 3 minutes cleaning up his complexion and replacing one eye lid that was slightly droopy. He was shocked how fast and easily I did it in front of him. I silently wondered what he had been doing for 4 years at college.

The other point brought up is that the standard studio style portrait is becoming a rare item anymore. It's limited to older generation folk who expect that style. Most portraits now are much more casual and honestly, easier in some respects but much more challenging in others. Cameras can now easily take fabulous portraits where film could never go. Creativity is king since the old restrictions on lighting, etc have been banished.

If you have the funds, I'd go for a Canon 5DM2. If you're not sure, get a used 5D or a Nikon and just start shooting. The one thing that has not changed (thank god) is that experience is still what your competition lacks. What you learned years ago for posing, lighting, customer service, etc. is still needed, just has to be tweaked a bit. Personally, I used to shoot 4x5, then 6x7, then 6x4.5, then 35, now digital for 8 years. In the beginning digital was rough and it was tough going. Now I would have no hesitation in telling you to forget MF unless you needed it for specific jobs (usually commercial). Save your money on pricey cameras and invest it in good glass. With the incredible quality of sensors now, cheaper lenses just won't do the job anymore. I think you'll find everyone on this forum will agree with that. A camera will be outdated (though still very usable) in 3 years, great glass will last decades.

I'd also take some Photoshop classes on-line. Lynda.com has some fabulous training sessions that are very cheap monthly. It's rare to find people that can learn PS on their own, it's so much easier to watch someone for the first while.

Don't get bogged down with raw vs jpg, too much software or too much techie computer stuff. Apart from Noel & Doug and a few others , most of us really do not enjoy spending hours staring at at a computer screen. Go out and have fun.

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Old 06-11-2009, 09:58 AM
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Re: Digital/Medium Format

A couple of points I have not seen mentioned yet is everyone is biased on camera brand (I am for Nikon) any of the recent model Nikon or Canon cameras in the prosumer or pro line will to a very good job for weddings, in Nikon this would be D200, D300 & D700 in the prosumer line or D2x, D3, D3x in the pro line and I don't know the Canon models. The ergonomics will make more difference then the the image results so play with both in a store and see what feels better to you.

Photoshop or other image editing is not required to get very good results however it is an important tool to get great results or correct issues. Photoshop Elements is very reasonable and handles 90% of what the full version does

You also need a viewing program and I recommend a downloading program. I use Breeze Browser Pro and Downloader Pro both from Breeze systems and reasonably priced. I use Downloader Pro to download, rename and backup images in one easy step and Breeze Browser to delete bad images, move images around and do some batch processing on them.

I have made 20"x30" prints from D70 jpgs (6MP) and D200 medium jpgs (5MP) and the results are very good. As long as you keep exposure and white balance in line jpeg files will do just as well as RAW. I do shoot RAW+JPEG for very critical work or challenging lighting but have never needed the RAW image.

A backup camera is even more important with digital because there is so many more opportunities for failure. Also a method to backup images from your computer is critical as systems and drives will fail. I use a combination of external drives and take one off site periodically and backup to another computer on the network

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Old 06-11-2009, 10:39 AM
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Re: Digital/Medium Format

There is debate over the megapixel limits of 35mm cameras solely because of the physical size of the sensors. The quality of the digital medium format image is superior to 35mm. Medium format digital has evolved to a degree that it is now more affordable than the first generation cameras.
Medium format cameras range from 31 to 65 megapixels and are typically used for portrait, fashion, product and landscape photography. MF systems such as Hasselblad are closed systems utilizing lenses that are unique to Hasselblad only. Other MF systems Mayima, Phase One and Leaf have proprietary camera bodies, but can interchange lenses and digital backs.

Generally medium format digital is slower than 35mm. Autofocus is not up to par with 35mm offerings. Shutter speeds are slower and write times are slower, so it is not well suited for action photography. Another advantage, in addition to amazing image quality is flash sync speed. With a lens shutter flash sync speeds exceed the capability of 35mm systems.

I seriously considered moving to medium format but was discouraged by the price of buying into an entire new system (I just bought a house). If you are familiar with medium format and are not currently invested in a 35mm system, I would definitely go with the medium format. If you decide that the cost is too prohibitive for a MF system, I (a loyal Canon user) would recommend the Nikon D3X. According to Diglloyd, the image quality is superior to both the Canon 1Ds Mark III and the 5D Mark II.

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everyone is biased on camera brand
Of course, a prior investment in lenses and accessories tends to bias one.

What's cool is that each new crop of bodies from each of the makers pretty much eclipses everything any of the makers have delivered in the past. Lower noise, more light sensitivity, faster operation, more accurate metering and focusing.

The ONE thing you can say with some certainty is that it's hard to go wrong!

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According to Diglloyd, the image quality is superior to both the Canon 1Ds Mark III and the 5D Mark II.

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I would simply ask the question: Can a normal customer see any difference between a normal portrait shot on a 50D, 5DM2 or a D3X properly exposed and printed to 20x24" viewed at normal distance.

Answer is NO. We'd probably have to go to a 10D to see a real difference.

I have no problem recommending any of the better brands. Most of us reach a decision based on what our real needs for everyday work is going to be. I regularly use 3 cameras at the same time for our workload and if I had to invest 6 times the price for D3X or similar, I'd be out of business, plain & simple (also be divorced). There are other things in life more important than filling the coffers of Nikon or Canon - like a nice new house - right Jerry

Yes, there are times when the quality is needed, but normal studio portrait work has reached the limit of what we need for megapixels. I know lots of fellow pros now shooting med. jpg simply because they can't see any difference in quality. Just my opinion, of course.

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Re: Digital/Medium Format

One of the main reasons ultra high resolution cameras are used in commercial photography is that it's a lot easier to do pin point Photoshop work on higher resolution files. If you're going to retouch someone's eye lash, it easier to do it when that lash is five pixels across, as opposed to two pixels across.

The current crop of pro and semi-pro cameras is more than enough for 99% of whatever printing needs you're going to have.

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Old 06-12-2009, 04:26 PM
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You're AWESOME!!! Thanks for all your info...I had a long conversation with the Lab(Herff Jones) that I used for years. They've already sent me their soft ware so that I can start bcoming familiar. Their equipment dept. suggested that I start out, maybe, with a Canon D50 and, of course, a Canon lens. They said this camera will give me the image size I'm looking for and it would be a great backup later down the road. He did mention that exposure was a "different duck" when it comes to dig. and wanted me to really spend some time working with dig. and exposure. Also, they explained to me that the cost of doing any digital work on images now is half of what they used to charge. I'm thinking for now its just best to let them do any dig. work until I can take a couple of Photoshop classes. I just don't see ANYWAY around, being a pro photographer, and being Photoshop ignorant! BTW, where are you located? Website? Would love to see your work!!!! Thanks again, Trish

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